[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I very much agree. Everybody knows we have the power, now it is time to let someone else take the reigns.

Well put!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by justjim

It didn't take the British this long to make up their minds. Why is it so hard to get a vote up or down on any issue in our Congress? To answer my own question---because they (career Politicans) are always running a re-election campaign. Oh, for term limits!

Another reason is their August recess isn't over until September 9, and Speaker Boehner elected not to call them back for a special session. When the House of Representatives returns to work on Monday they will work a grand total of nine days in September, then go on another recess.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Another reason is their August recess isn't over until September 9, and Speaker Boehner elected not to call them back for a special session. When the House of Representatives returns to work on Monday they will work a grand total of nine days in September, then go on another recess.

The Presiden shocked even his own advisors when he abruptly changed his mind while on a walk Friday afternoon...that was LAST FRIDAY.

Committee meetings held this week in both chambers....Not sure how they could have been convened and finished quicker....they had to be done. If there was a quicker way.....please advise.

So, here we are less than a week since he made the decision, about 6 days since he publicly announced this decision. Committee meetings are over and the President was out of town all of that time (not blaming him..just pointing it out that HE is one who wants this and HE was not available to talk to anyone)..

Please advise on how this could have been done quicker !!!!!!

Congress is just a part of the problem....even with the leaders in 24 hours or so supporting him. Pretty quickly.

"DAVID AXELROD said on "Morning Joe" that Obama has to “make the case” to the American people on Syria and do it on “as big a stage as possible. ... The president needs to make the case and give them the arguments and the cover, frankly, for a yes vote, and that’s very, very important." --Tal Kopan"

POLITICO Playbook - POLITICO.com

To those of you who are still thinking POLITICALLY.....President versus house...Democrat versus Republican, etc.....which would be the ONLY reason for the post I am replying to....THIS IS NOT POLITICAL, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU TRY. This is not about bashing the President as some of the political hacks think.

The congress has been pretty bi partisan in NOT being partisan on this. This has nothing to do with any timing...who is on vacation or who is not.....it is much to serious for the political rantings.

Please explain how what is done could have been done quicker under the circumstances. You do understand that the WORLD heard about what the President had decided LESS THAN A WEEK AGO. No hints at all until his walk.

IF this is HURRY UP AND GET IT DONE about bombing, we got ourselves a problem

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by justjim

It didn't take the British this long to make up their minds. Why is it so hard to get a vote up or down on any issue in our Congress? To answer my own question---because they (career Politicans) are always running a re-election campaign. Oh, for term limits!

because that is the way Washington works. Some will say no well knowing there will be some negotiating to get them to change their votes. That some will hold out and play the game until they get what ever concessions the were seeking from Obama. Remember the back room deals made by these hypocrites when doing the same thing on Obamascare.

Those who switch are the ultimate hypocrites/liars/decievers of we the people.

Keep in mind that all the actions by those from Obama on down are purely political. The plight of people whether USA or Syrians or Egyptians, et al has very little to do with the process other than being a facilitating entity.

Very sad.

btk

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by billethkid

because that is the way Washington works. Some will say no well knowing there will be some negotiating to get them to change their votes. That some will hold out and play the game until they get what ever concessions the were seeking from Obama. Remember the back room deals made by these hypocrites when doing the same thing on Obamascare.

Those who switch are the ultimate hypocrites/liars/decievers of we the people.

Keep in mind that all the actions by those from Obama on down are purely political. The plight of people whether USA or Syrians or Egyptians, et al has very little to do with the process other than being a facilitating entity.

Very sad.

btk

"Keep in mind that all the actions by those from Obama on down are purely political."

Sadly, and I pray I am wrong, every time he talks the last few days this statement of yours keeps ringing in my ears..... I hope not...I really do.

You cannot play politics....Dem versus Rep.....WH versus house, etc with foreign affairs. Even some foreign leaders can see some of it.

"Do congressional Republicans face an impossible choice between being politically used or undermining U.S. prestige in the Mideast? The corner that President Obama has trapped them in is just an illusion.

The most important fact about the president's decision to ask Congress' permission before striking Syria is that it is 100% political.

Even the American Enterprise Institute's hawkish Marc Thiessen warned that Obama's limited strikes "will likely fail, and he wants Congress on the hook so that Republicans cannot criticize his Syria policy when it implodes." Therefore, "Republicans should not take the bait" by voting yes."

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[gomoho]

I don't think most of the country is against this action against political lines, but unfortunately those that claim to represent us are definitely doing so - otherwise it would have already been decided "we the people" do not want this war. Anyone catch Senator McCain's town meeting? He clearly wasn't concerned about how his constituents felt because obviously he and the others believe they know better than us.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by gomoho

I don't think most of the country is against this action against political lines, but unfortunately those that claim to represent us are definitely doing so - otherwise it would have already been decided "we the people" do not want this war. Anyone catch Senator McCain's town meeting? He clearly wasn't concerned about how his constituents felt because obviously he and the others believe they know better than us.

I just said to someone in a pm.......blind loyalty to a man (Obama) I have a real problem with....blind loyalty to a philosophy (Liberalism) I can respect and find ground to discuss.

Point is....this is not about Obama, or Democrats or Republicans or any thing even close yet folks are still crying that game.

I was torn...I posted how I would support the President, then I did some reading on WHO we would help...on how limited this thing was, and now the politics being played.

That did it for me.no politics when it comes to foreign affairs....that is simply not acceptable in anyway to me. I am confused about what our strategy is...what do we want to accomplish and how....I am confused about the Presidents remarks on the red line, and his constant referring to congress recently when he ignored them up to last weekend. I am confused about who makes up the groups we would be helping with any kind of bombing.

All of that says NO to the bombing..not politically, just simply pragmatic. I will listen closely to the President on Tuesday as I have for the last week or so, but cannot imagine what he will tell me that he hasnt told me yet, and frankly if he did tell me something new, I would ask why he didnt say that before.

If our chambers vote on how they feel in their hearts, without any consideration to fall out or political consideration I respect all of them. If anyone is playing politics of any kind, lets look at getting rid of them.

[gomoho]

"If our chambers vote on how they feel in their hearts, without any consideration to fall out or political consideration I respect all of them. If anyone is playing politics of any kind, lets look at getting rid of them."


Bucco - I thought they were supposed to vote what "WE" feel in our hearts - not what they fell in their hearts.

[Bucco]

[QUOTE=gomoho;740672]"If our chambers vote on how they feel in their hearts, without any consideration to fall out or political consideration I respect all of them. If anyone is playing politics of any kind, lets look at getting rid of them."

"Bucco - I thought they were supposed to vote what "WE" feel in our hearts - not what they fell in their hearts. "


Yes and no in my opinion. The vote is so important because in theory you should vote for the person who will vote the closest to how you feel. That will never be infallible....but if you do your homework, whomever you vote for should be close.

That is because, as a poster pointed out but for a different reason, they have access to things we do not. I am certainly not trying to get them off the hook in anyway, an they have the town halls to hear us, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, we need to do our homework before we vote. All votes do not get this much attention.

I am more concerned and will never forget...ever...our representatives turning this country upside down and voting on bills that become law that they do not even read....they just follow instruction.

But thanks for bringing that up....that always makes an interesting discussion.

[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Bucco - I thought they were supposed to vote what "WE" feel in our hearts - not what they feel in their hearts.

We know, for the most part, they vote for what works for them...That said, this might be the first time in a very long time they are going to vote what their constituents want.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

We know, for the most part, they vote for what works for them...That said, this might be the first time in a very long time they are going to vote what their constituents want.

We shall see. There is a lot of arm twisting going on right now and it will continue.

[shcisamax]

As the American people are mounting protests against going in to Syria, Kerry is in Europe trying to drum up support.

[gomoho]

Tuned right into public opinion as usual. So refreshing.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Another reason is their August recess isn't over until September 9, and Speaker Boehner elected not to call them back for a special session. When the House of Representatives returns to work on Monday they will work a grand total of nine days in September, then go on another recess.

janmcn,

Please post the telephone numbers of our representatives so we can call them or email them and tell them our feelings on an upcoming war.

You are always so helpful with information like this.

[Taltarzac725]

Find Your Representative · House.gov

http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

Good luck with this if people do decide to contact your Senator or Representative in the US Congress.

I am still not sure where I stand on Syria but am very glad that they are doing a lot of research and talking about this before starting another war.

Some sites you may want to look at before writing these people:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/spotlight/syria/
http://www.reuters.com/places/syria
http://www.theguardian.com/world/syria
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23990788
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/05/world/...war/index.html