[wendyquat]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Or maybe it turns out like Lybia did?

Unfortunately our military has been so degraded at this point I don't see how anyone could ask them to participate in another war! Especially when we don't even know who the enemy is!

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Unfortunately our military has been so degraded at this point I don't see how anyone could ask them to participate in another war! Especially when we don't even know who the enemy is!

Time to bring back the military draft for 18 year olds.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Time to bring back the military draft for 18 year olds.

To fight for the corporations?

[mulligan]

The problem is not lack of bodies, it's lack of funding. There are plenty of volunteers out there due to the poor job market.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by mulligan

The problem is not lack of bodies, it's lack of funding. There are plenty of volunteers out there due to the poor job market.

Lack of funding? The Fed is "printing" about $90 billion every month and giving it to the banks. This will be the "excuse" to raise the debt ceiling.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by donb9006

To fight for the corporations?

That is what this country has become.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by donb9006

To fight for the corporations?

[rp001]

Originally Posted by Monkei

That is what this country has become.

how sad it is the religious extremists and huge multi national (GREEDY) corporations have taken over our country and maybe the whole world. I don't have the answer as to how to take it back but it must be done to save future generations.

[PennBF]

I don't understand the proposal to bomb the citizens of Syria. The leaders are the ones that approved using gas on their citizens. If some "gang leaders" in a major city (e.g. LA, etc) cause a gang fight and kill some people you don't kill all the citizens in the area. You go in and kill the leaders who are causing the problems. This should be a "surgical" action specifically cutting out the ones who authorized the gassing of innocent adults and children. These people will not change as there is no cure for psychopaths and that has been proven over time. They will not change. There is an old story about a snake on the side of the road and he asked the person to please take him to the other side and the person said no because he will bite him and the snake promised he wouldn't SO the person picked up the snake and when they got to the other side the snake bit him The person said why did you do that? You promised you would not bite me. The snake replied "that is what snakes do". Why would we be surprised these leaders would kill as that is what they do.

[Bay Kid]

Where did WE get our intelligence reports? The brotherhood? Are we sure? Will us killing many of them make them stop? So many questions w/no real answers.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I don't understand the proposal to bomb the citizens of Syria. The leaders are the ones that approved using gas on their citizens. If some "gang leaders" in a major city (e.g. LA, etc) cause a gang fight and kill some people you don't kill all the citizens in the area. You go in and kill the leaders who are causing the problems. This should be a "surgical" action specifically cutting out the ones who authorized the gassing of innocent adults and children. These people will not change as there is no cure for psychopaths and that has been proven over time. They will not change. There is an old story about a snake on the side of the road and he asked the person to please take him to the other side and the person said no because he will bite him and the snake promised he wouldn't SO the person picked up the snake and when they got to the other side the snake bit him The person said why did you do that? You promised you would not bite me. The snake replied "that is what snakes do". Why would we be surprised these leaders would kill as that is what they do.

Because there's an "agreement" amongst "leaders" that you don't do that. Why? How many leaders would there be? EVERY time another leader disagreed with you...they have you killed...it tends to go through a lot of leaders very quickly when you do that. "Civilized" governments don't assassinate other world leaders. Think of how easy it would be to take out the Kremlin or another country like Russia to take out the Capitol building during the state of the union.

Yes...don't expect a snake to NOT be a snake...don't expect a psychopath to not be a psychopath. Most "rulers" are psychopaths...it's the personality type that attains those positions.

[Irish Rover]

Are we sure that Syria used the weapons? Perhaps the rebels are playing us. Be a shame to make another major mistake in a fight that we don't have a dog in.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by Irish Rover

Are we sure that Syria used the weapons? Perhaps the rebels are playing us. Be a shame to make another major mistake in a fight that we don't have a dog in.

Perhaps it's OUR leaders playing us?

[Suzi]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

As far as the president being a Muslim, I think that that kind of talk is ridiculous and divisive. I'm not a big fan of this president and his policies or some of the decisions he made but I'd prefer to stick with substance rather than rhetoric.
Sitting in the senate it's pretty easy to vote against the president. It's especially easy when it's the popular vote among your constituents and the vote is going overwhelmingly in the opposite direction.
It's not as easy for the president to play games like that. I think that the president had a shock when he went into the oval office for the first time and was briefed on things that only the administration knows. Suddenly there are a lot more things to think about then what decision will get you the most votes.

It was the same thing with Iraq and Afghanistan. Senator and Candidate Obama criticized President Bush and his policies on these two fronts. When he got into office, he followed the Bush schedule to the letter.

He keeps saying that he wants to close GITMO but he hasn't yet. Could it be that once he got into office he learned a few things about that whole situation and why we haven't closed that facility? That was a priority and yet, it is still open.

It's pretty easy for us as well as the house and senate to sit in judgement of what the president is doing, but what do we really know? We don't have doesn't of experts in these areas advising us on what to do. We don't fully understand the repercussion of acting or not acting. Senator Obama didn't either.

You imply that being muslim is a bad thing. It is ONLY if they are radical.

[chachacha]

personally, i think President Obama, of whom i am not a fan, finally had the good sense to see that his threat about the red line was getting us into an untenable situation, with no support of allies, and he made the astute move to leave it in the hands of congress....this way he can blame the "do nothing" congress for interfering, when in reality they will be saving our necks, as usual....i feel the window of opportunity to help the syrian people came and went two years ago, when nothing was done. that is truly a sin and a pity.