[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We are getting very far afield from the topic of this thread but this might help. Not exactly my views but this does cover oil and the history of wars over the past 75 years or so. Oil Wars|Greenpeace International

Greenpeace?

Actually by citing the source you did, you’ve told us what we really need to know about your core beliefs, and where you’re coming from with your worldview. Thanks for being honest about it.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Greenpeace?

Actually by citing the source you did, you’ve told us what we really need to know about your core beliefs, and where you’re coming from with your worldview. Thanks for being honest about it.

That's also simplistic. I just pulled up what I had Googled. It was there for a little bit. My core beliefs are based on four degrees (including a Minor in Religious Studies) and fighting for victims' rights for 23 years at great expense to me and my family. Some of my allies in this fight have been religious groups which include mosques among other community resources for aid. Of course, the religious groups that might be of help to victims here in Florida would be very different from those in Syria, Iraq, Iran, or other places.

I wish people on TOTV would be a little fairer in how they treat others by not putting words in their mouths, setting up straw men, or putting false beliefs on them. I try to treat others with respect as the Golden Rule (a chief tenet of Christianity) propels us to do.

In the Villages, I would not see any more of a proclivity towards violence from a Christian Villager than from a Muslim Villager. In a war zone, I do not see either a Muslim nor a Christian nor a Jew turning the other cheek if there is a threat to the lives of their families and themselves.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That's also simplistic. I just pulled up what I had Googled. It was there for a little bit. My core beliefs are based on four degrees (including a Minor in Religious Studies) and fighting for victims' rights for 23 years at great expense to me and my family. Some of my allies in this fight have been religious groups which include mosques among other community resources for aid. Of course, the religious groups that might be of help to victims here in Florida would be very different from those in Syria, Iraq, Iran, or other places.

I wish people on TOTV would be a little fairer in how they treat others by not putting words in their mouths, setting up straw men, or putting false beliefs on them. I try to treat others with respect as the Golden Rule (a chief tenet of Christianity) propels us to do.

In the Villages, I would not see any more of a proclivity towards violence from a Christian Villager than from a Muslim Villager. In a war zone, I do not see either a Muslim nor a Christian nor a Jew turning the other cheek if there is a threat to the lives of their families and themselves.

Well, you may deem it simplistic, but I think it provides us significant insight. Again, I thank you for at least being honest about where you're coming from ... i.e., essentially no difference.

You argue your points well ... I just happen to think your world view is neither realistic nor helpful to our longer term security, multiple degrees notwithstanding. I imagine you think likewise of my world view. Hey, that's why this is a discussion board. It's not personal so lets just agree to disagree at this point.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Well, you may deem it simplistic, but I think it provides us significant insight. Again, I thank you for at least being honest about where you're coming from ... i.e., essentially no difference.

You argue your points well ... I just happen to think your world view is neither realistic nor helpful to our longer term security, multiple degrees notwithstanding. I imagine you think likewise of my world view. Hey, that's why this is a discussion board. It's not personal so lets just agree to disagree at this point.

You think I can see your world view in a few posts? Hardly. Nor, can you see mine.

I have said nothing about my politics towards the Middle East. There is definitely a quickness on the part of Muslims in the Middle East to go to violence to make points but we are not talking about that really but about some guy who beheaded a woman in Oklahoma who had converted to Islam in prison probably to survive in a gang culture where belonging to a group keeps you from being raped. Or, raped less. I did represent prisoners at the Minnesota Correctional Facility in Stillwater for 18 months or so as a Student Attorney at the University of Minnesota Law School.

People behave differently when their survival is on the line. Very few Americans can really comprehend that unless they have been in a combat zone. I have never been in a combat zone but did volunteer with Veterans of Foreign Wars Hospital for a year of weekends in 1977-1978 so I did get a first hand look at the long term effects of combat in people in their 90s but also much younger.

The very violent actions of Muslims like those in ISIS usually come from combat zones. I personally do not know what I would do when presented with such a situation. I doubt if few really do unless they have had extensive military training to deal with the fear, stress, and deprivations.

[Patty55]

I'm still on the fence whether this character was part of an organized terrorist group or just loopy.

I don't think I know any Muslims, if I do they must be very moderate for me to not recognize it. If this OK incident is a terrorist act I think it was successful. Who would think that one person killing a co-worker would warrant this sort of attention (I'm sure it happens every day somewhere). Yet, we have people spending days speculating, googling up a storm and afraid. That is the terrorist's job, to inspire fear and once you let fear change you and let it run your life they have won.

I'm still leaning towards this man being very angry (possibly towards women in general), lacking control over his dismal life and lashing out at an available target. Just an common loser.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

You think I can see your world view in a few posts? Hardly. Nor, can you see mine.

I have said nothing about my politics towards the Middle East. There is definitely a quickness on the part of Muslims in the Middle East to go to violence to make points but we are not talking about that really but about some guy who beheaded a woman in Oklahoma who had converted to Islam in prison probably to survive in a gang culture where belonging to a group keeps you from being raped. Or, raped less. I did represent prisoners at the Minnesota Correctional Facility in Stillwater for 18 months or so as a Student Attorney at the University of Minnesota Law School.

People behave differently when their survival is on the line. Very few Americans can really comprehend that unless they have been in a combat zone. I have never been in a combat zone but did volunteer with Veterans of Foreign Wars Hospital for a year of weekends in 1977-1978 so I did get a first hand look at the long term effects of combat in people in their 90s but also much younger.

The very violent actions of Muslims like those in ISIS usually come from combat zones. I personally do not know what I would do when presented with such a situation. I doubt if few really do unless they have had extensive military training to deal with the fear, stress, and deprivations.

You paint a very sympathetic picture of the radicals and why they are.

With all due respect to you, I offer that millions, over the years, have faced a lot worse and not become vile killing animals. Of course the environment is a cause, but if fear, stress, and deprivations cause this, bless those over the years that have no succumbed to this and became a killer.

While I understand, I think, what you say, that is no excuse and therefore, to me, is not even a consideration. These people are not committing petty theft

[gomoho]

Patty - I think it was the way the co-worker was killed that gets our attention. Your average Joe going postal at work doesn't behead their target.

Tal - we now know from a previous post your are an attorney - were you also a politician?

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Patty - I think it was the way the co-worker was killed that gets our attention. Your average Joe going postal at work doesn't behead their target.

Tal - we now know from a previous post your are an attorney - were you also a politician?

Your average Joe doesn't trim produce with a machete type knife. If he were a roofer he might have shot her with a nail gun.

If that facebook that was posted was really his I'd say he was a wannabe terrorist but in reality was nothing more than a powerless loser with women issues.

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by gomoho

I'm afraid this is only the beginning. Pray for our country and may God bless America.

Alton Nolen had a tattoo of Jesus on his chest. He had just been fired and returned to his workplace and beheaded the woman. Is his tatoo significant and indicative of Christain behavior we should worry about?

What was his motivation for the beheading, to advance Islam in some particularly heinous way as ISIS Had done?

How can this not be seen as the reaction of a disturbed individual?

How has this become one of the "God Bless America" events?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Rags123

You paint a very sympathetic picture of the radicals and why they are.

With all due respect to you, I offer that millions, over the years, have faced a lot worse and not become vile killing animals. Of course the environment is a cause, but if fear, stress, and deprivations cause this, bless those over the years that have no succumbed to this and became a killer.

While I understand, I think, what you say, that is no excuse and therefore, to me, is not even a consideration. These people are not committing petty theft

Do I? Putting positions in my mouth I never spoke. What I AM saying is that people should not make over-generalizations about Muslims. Someone who has been in a war zone thinks and acts a bit differently than those who have not been under the threat of immediate death. I hardly condone the actions of ISIS. Where did I say anything remotely supporting extremists!!!!

Some of you people really play dirty! Like really below the belt Tyson style nasty.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by xNYer

Alton Nolen had a tattoo of Jesus on his chest. He had just been fired and returned to his workplace and beheaded the woman. Is his tatoo significant and indicative of Christain behavior we should worry about?

What was his motivation for the beheading, to advance Islam in some particularly heinous way as ISIS Had done?

How can this not be seen as the reaction of a disturbed individual?

How has this become one of the "God Bless America" events?

I do not understand this mindset either. What does this action of some loser with women issues as Patti probably correctly surmised have anything to do with the stereotypical Muslim? Which many here are attacking along with me for trying to fight for education about what Muslims are actually like in various countries. What is wrong with knowledge, empathy and tolerance!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Patty - I think it was the way the co-worker was killed that gets our attention. Your average Joe going postal at work doesn't behead their target.

Tal - we now know from a previous post your are an attorney - were you also a politician?

No I am a law librarian by training who has been fighting for more practical materials accessible in libraries of all kinds for survivors/victims of violent and other kinds of crimes since January 1991. Some of these might be Muslims, some might be WASPs, some might be African-Americans, etc.

I am NOT an attorney, nor a politician.

I do see a lot of hate directed at Muslims on TOTV. Very sad state of affairs.

[Sophie11]

Did the people not speak up in Germany because of fear? Millions of lives lost….why? How could this of been STOPPED! People think that if they stay politically correct it will put them in great standings with the powers that be?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

Did the people not speak up in Germany because of fear? Millions of lives lost….why? How could this of been STOPPED! People think that if they stay politically correct it will put them in great standings with the powers that be?

Hatred, bigotry, and racism were the stock in trade of the Nazis along with being very politically correct within their membership. They took those who did not agree with them to the gas chambers. They probably supported all that with quotes from the Bible as well.

Fighting against racism and bigotry are not just politically correct they are also the Christian thing to do if you follow the Golden Rule.

[Cisco Kid]

Another case of work place violence.
This one thet stopped before he went off.

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