[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I had not heard of the news source that you linked above called RT.

It is a Russian news network.http://rt.com/

Further;About RT

RT is a global news channel broadcasting from Moscow and Washington studios. With a global reach of over 630 million people, or over 25% of all cable subscribers worldwide, RT news covers the major issues of our time for viewers wishing to question more. Our team of young news professionals has made RT the first news channel to break the 1 billion YouTube views benchmark.

Another article about Muslims standing against ISIS.

The ‘Islamic State’ and its brutal crimes betray Muslim world: Editorial | Toronto Star

http://www.canadiancouncilofimams.co...eviant-nature/

[Sophie11]

Do you really think the news for the USA on this RT should be - Police officer shot in Ferguson, two suspects at large? I think the big news for the world to see is the beheading of a person in the USA by a person of the muslim faith.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Sophie11

Do you really think the news for the USA on this RT should be - Police officer shot in Ferguson, two suspects at large? I think the big news for the world to see is the beheading of a person in the USA by a person of the muslim faith.

He was a prison convert to Islam. Probably not very long ago either. http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/27/us/okl...ing/index.html

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Another article about Muslims standing against ISIS.

The ‘Islamic State’ and its brutal crimes betray Muslim world: Editorial | Toronto Star

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – CANADIAN COUNCIL OF IMAMS WARNS CANADIAN MUSLIMS ABOUT ISIS AND ITS

The first link above is written by an editorial writer..Not making me feel better.

The second one below, makes me feel a LOT better; Thank you Tal.


http://www.canadiancouncilofimams.co...eviant-nature/

Now please find me a similar American one.

[kittygilchrist]

TheReligionofPeace - About this Site

This site will not make us feel better, but it may make us more aware.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Another article about Muslims standing against ISIS.

The ‘Islamic State’ and its brutal crimes betray Muslim world: Editorial | Toronto Star

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – CANADIAN COUNCIL OF IMAMS WARNS CANADIAN MUSLIMS ABOUT ISIS AND ITS

You keep pointing out isolated examples. While they are comforting, what is missing is an obvious groundswell of outrage from a LOT of presumably moderate Muslims. It simply has not happened yet ... and probably won't because most of them are afraid of the bloodthirsty types.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Poor Martin's Almanac: Can a Good Muslim be a Good American? (A Rebuttal)

Do some research Graciegirl. And I recall a lot of voices of many religions made against the Boston Bombers who were/are Chechen-Americans if I remember correctly. That is sort of attacking Christians for the Oklahoma City bombings which had next to nothing to do with religion.

Tal, again I say I think you are who needs to do the research. I mentioned that in an earlier post.

Let's try it this way. If you take a random sample of 5,000 Muslims and 5,000 Christians, do you honestly think the probability of finding a genuine terrorist or terrorist sympathized is equal in both populations?

The answer is obviously no. The reason for this is also obvious in that one religion, in modern times especially, has shown a much higher propensity for violence. That is a fact that no amount of wishful thinking can trump.

But, for whatever reason, you don't want to admit that. Probably an emotional thing or proclivity towards being fair which is commendable, but in this case inaccurate. As an earlier poster said, this results in us not being able to finally call a duck for what it is ... a duck.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

Not just immigration! They average 8 offspring to our 1. You do the math!

You make an excellent point. Conquest via the womb is actually an articulated long-term strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood, and part of their overall strategy to exploit the West’s liberal institutions from within to achieve victory … ie defined as a worldwide Caliphate. It’s a smart strategy too I might add because, as the saying goes, demography is destiny.

This is another reason why Muslim immigration needs to be legally curtailed or ideally eliminated as I argued in an earlier post. They do not assimilate by and large, and their faith is transnational. Thus, if we let large numbers of Muslim immigrants into the US, and they are producing many more babies as you correctly point out, we end up losing the country in 50-100 years. I don’t know what the exact math is, and while it’s not as bad as Europe, it’s a long time suicidal outcome for the USA as we all currently know it. Thus, the rational strategy on our part is to not let it happen.

It’s not complicated … it’s just takes courage to call a duck a duck, and then figure out what to do. But, there are many on this board and our country who, for whatever reason, simply refuse to call a duck a duck. I think a lot of it is fear, some of it is distaste for the country (ie not fair etc), and in other cases probably stems from a multicultural view of the world where all cultures are wonderful except the English-based Judeo-Christian culture called America we were all lucky enough to be born into.

[Sophie11]

We are losing our freedoms because of fear! We are still a free country and we have a constitution that shows we are! There are millions of Christians in America and unless you start speaking what is true we will lose our freedoms! We are millions of Christians living in America! When you hear something that is against our WORD you must stand firm with the way, the TRUTH and the life!

Start Calling A Duck A Duck!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Tal, again I say I think you are who needs to do the research. I mentioned that in an earlier post.

Let's try it this way. If you take a random sample of 5,000 Muslims and 5,000 Christians, do you honestly think the probability of finding a genuine terrorist or terrorist sympathized is equal in both populations?

The answer is obviously no. The reason for this is also obvious in that one religion, in modern times especially, has shown a much higher propensity for violence. That is a fact that no amount of wishful thinking can trump.

But, for whatever reason, you don't want to admit that. Probably an emotional thing or proclivity towards being fair which is commendable, but in this case inaccurate. As an earlier poster said, this results in us not being able to finally call a duck for what it is ... a duck.

Depends on where you are taking the example from? If it is near a hot spot with respect to violence like Ukraine, for instance, the numbers would be high for supporting terrorism as long as your side is winning. This would be either Christian or Muslim.

If you mean Iowa, say Des Moines, they might be quite close.

A community like Minneapolis with a very large number of parents who come from war torn countries like Somalia, you would probably be right as these countries are primarily Muslim.

The fact is many of the wars going on in 2014 are in Muslim countries not because of that religion but because of strife over the control of natural resources like oil, water and other commodities. Both sides use religion in propaganda efforts.

The old idea of a holy war or jihad is invoked by leaders who are in these wars but this has very little to do with the practice of religion by Muslims in the United States. These people have condemned ISIS as say an American Christian would condemn the use of violence against abortion clinics. http://www.commondreams.org/news/201...and-compassion

I am curious about whether any of the posters on this thread so set against tolerance of Muslims in the United States have any friends who are Muslim? I had a good friend on Findlaw's message boards who lived among various Muslims in Indonesia. Indonesia has a very large population of Muslims but she as a Christian tried to be very tolerant of others religions even if she was scared about the separation of church and state because of the possibility of fanatics taking power. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...g-Muslims.html

Whenever fanatics take over a government there are problems with human rights being smashed such as with Mussolini's Italy, Stalin's USSR, Hitler's Nazi Germany, and a whole number of other power structures controlled by psychopaths. ISIS just looks like a state controlled by such a totalitarian group. They use the Muslim religion to twist people how they want.

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Depends on where you are taking the example from? If it is near a hot spot with respect to violence like Ukraine, for instance, the numbers would be high for supporting terrorism as long as your side is winning. This would be either Christian or Muslim.

If you mean Iowa, say Des Moines, they might be quite close.

A community like Minneapolis with a very large number of parents who come from war torn countries like Somalia, you would probably be right as these countries are primarily Muslim.

The fact is many of the wars going on in 2014 are in Muslim countries not because of that religion but because of strife over the control of natural resources like oil, water and other commodities. Both sides use religion in propaganda efforts.

The old idea of a holy war or jihad is invoked by leaders who are in these wars but this has very little to do with the practice of religion by Muslims in the United States. These people have condemned ISIS as say an American Christian would condemn the use of violence against abortion clinics. Muslims and Scholars Condemn ISIS for Betraying Religion of 'Mercy' and 'Compassion' | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

Exactly what specific " data points / metrics " do you have to back up your position ? I think that it would be " instructive " for most of us . IE A " TEACHING MOMENT " FROM YOU TO " US " .

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Exactly what specific " data points / metrics " do you have to back up your position ? I think that it would be " instructive " for most of us . IE A " TEACHING MOMENT " FROM YOU TO " US " .

We are getting very far afield from the topic of this thread but this might help. Not exactly my views but this does cover oil and the history of wars over the past 75 years or so. Oil Wars|Greenpeace International

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Depends on where you are taking the example from? If it is near a hot spot with respect to violence like Ukraine, for instance, the numbers would be high for supporting terrorism as long as your side is winning. This would be either Christian or Muslim.

If you mean Iowa, say Des Moines, they might be quite close.

A community like Minneapolis with a very large number of parents who come from war torn countries like Somalia, you would probably be right as these countries are primarily Muslim.

The fact is many of the wars going on in 2014 are in Muslim countries not because of that religion but because of strife over the control of natural resources like oil, water and other commodities. Both sides use religion in propaganda efforts.

The old idea of a holy war or jihad is invoked by leaders who are in these wars but this has very little to do with the practice of religion by Muslims in the United States. These people have condemned ISIS as say an American Christian would condemn the use of violence against abortion clinics. Muslims and Scholars Condemn ISIS for Betraying Religion of 'Mercy' and 'Compassion' | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community

I am curious about whether any of the posters on this thread so set against tolerance of Muslims in the United States have any friends who are Muslim? I had a good friend on Findlaw's message boards who lived among various Muslims in Indonesia. Indonesia has a very large population of Muslims but she as a Christian tried to be very tolerant of others religions even if she was scared about the separation of church and state because of the possibility of fanatics taking power. Indonesia president says Islamic State 'embarrassing' Muslims - Telegraph

Whenever fanatics take over a government there are problems with human rights being smashed such as with Mussolini's Italy, Stalin's USSR, Hitler's Nazi Germany, and a whole number of other power structures controlled by psychopaths. ISIS just looks like a state controlled by such a totalitarian group. They use the Muslim religion to twist people how they want.

Let me try it this way … I’m going to ask you to answer a question and see if you will be good enough to respond.

As a generalization, and to keep things simple, do you think the proclivity towards violence, based on teachings of their respective faiths, is basically equivalent between Islam and Christianity?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Let me try it this way … I’m going to ask you to answer a question and see if you will be good enough to respond.

As a generalization, and to keep things simple, do you think the proclivity towards violence, based on teachings of their respective faiths, is basically equivalent between Islam and Christianity?

That's just it. Religion is never simple.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

That's just it. Religion is never simple.

I'm going to take that a nice way not to answer the question.

And, further, I'm going to guess that if you had answered it, you would have said "essentially no difference in proclivities towards violence between Islam and Christianity."