[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by spring_chicken

You are not allowed to conceal carry (even with a permit)in any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;

Also, patrons are searched before entering the bar, so you wouldn't get past the front door with it unless you went in at 2 am when most people are leaving. The shooter also knew that.

I never go into any establishment that does not allow conceal carry - never. As long as I am able, I will do everything in my power to not let a person continue in their pursuit to harm, maim or kill people if it happens around me.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Oh come on!

You would be in favor of allowing guns being in nightclubs where drinking takes place among young people?

How about allowing - or actively encouraging - that handguns or rifles of any type be brought into sporting venues such as college and professional football, basketball, or baseball games? After all, some stadiums hold 60,000 or 70,000 people and would make excellent terriost targets.

What could possibly go wrong with armed spectators amped up on beer and testoserone while their team loses - or wins?

Arm the security guards for more soft targets like the Pulse nightclub as well as some movie theaters.

The stadiums have fairly tight security and are very hard targets.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

For quite a while (in California) I used to hang out with a retired LA County deputy sheriff. He ALWAYS carried, everywhere, as did his LEO friends. When I was getting to know him he explained that he had arrested many violent felons who went to prison and who had vowed to kill him so he was always alert to one of them turning up to hurt or kill him. Smart man!

The same with my wife and I........

[graciegirl]

Here is what I think I remember from the reports today;

The shooter's name is Muhammed Omar Mateen. His father,Mir Seddique Mateen, who lives in Dunedin, Florida appears on a television show out of California that supports the Taliban. The shooter has a small son and an estranged wife. She says he beat her. The alleged shooter was investigated by the FBI twice in 2013, and once in 2014 and they did not have enough to charge him with anything. He was a security guard. He made a 911 call before the shooting giving credit to Isis and El bagdaddy (sp) and mentioning the Tsaronov (sp?) who did the Boston Bombings.

I wish they had deported him and his family. But you can't do things like that. All this pain and tragedy would have been averted.

I think it matters less if he had a gun or not. He might have blown himself up, who knows.

[Jima64]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I.e., George Zimmerman.

Don't compare these two.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

That name had 7000 followers on Facebook. Scary.

I think that name is the suspects father.

From what I can find at this point in time the father's name is Seddique Mateen.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I.e., George Zimmerman.

smh...

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Fifty people lost their lives due to one person filled with hatred. There are no words for how terrible that is.

Any religion that kills people is not connected to the God I know.

I think his name is Muhammed Omar Mateen.

It's not one person filled with hate. It is a religion that preaches violence and hate. I watched a video (on channel 9?) of a visiting imam talking in Orlando in a very matter of fact tone that it is compassionate to kill homosexuals, that the consequence of homosexuality is death, and there was nothing to be ashamed about that fact. He was scary calm when he said this.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is what I think I remember from the reports today;


I wish they had deported him and his family. But you can't do things like that. All this pain and tragedy would have been averted.

I think it matters less if he had a gun or not. He might have blown himself up, who knows.

Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

.......is the very reason I carry a concealed weapon. Praying for the victims and families; may Omar Marteen burn in hell.

These events, including the young man killed in Spanish Springs the other night are what pushed me into finally buying a gun and applying for me CCW permit.

This just makes me think that it can't get here fast enough.

By the way, this incident brought out the fact that ISIS put out a notice a short while ago stating that it was going to target Florida.
They published a list of names that they intended to kill and over 600 of them were in Florida. So if you think that you're in a nice safe bubble, you might want to think again.

Get armed, get trained, carry daily.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

I never go into any establishment that does not allow conceal carry - never. As long as I am able, I will do everything in my power to not let a person continue in their pursuit to harm, maim or kill people if it happens around me.

There were 350 people in that nightclub. I wonder if there would have been fewer deaths if half of them were armed? If an establishment doesn't allow concealed carry then it should be mandatory that they have several armed guards. In this case it's Florida law that doesn't allow concealed carry in places that get over 50% of their revenues from alcohol. So if the state doesn't allow me to defend myself, then they should have to supply armed guards to defend me.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Word is he called 911 before his and pledged support to ISIS.

And he was shouting Allahu Akbar as he fired. This was, plain and simple, another ISIS terrorist attack on US citizens.

[ugotme]

[QUOTE=Sandtrap328;1240110]Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.[/Q


Unfortunately you will always blame the gun!
It is the sick, racist, deviant mind of a maniac who killed these people. The gun was a tool - yes! If it was a bomb what would you have banned?

Please - I have owned numerous guns for over 40 years. NEVER even aimed it at someone. I am proficient with it and basically just enjoy shooting. Would I hesitate to defend my family with it? HELL NO!

Stop blaming the gun and blame the morons who just want to kill for NO reason!

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

There were 350 people in that nightclub. I wonder if there would have been fewer deaths if half of them were armed?

But that's what worries me. I can readily see the value in CCW for personal protection. But in situations like this, or the Denver movie theater, I see a different problem. One person with a permit sees the shooter start, pulls his weapon and fires. Someone else with a permit yells, OMG there are two of them and fires at the wrong guy. And someone else sees that and starts firing. That's why LEOs have those vests with POLICE or FBI boldly printed. Hard to know who is the enemy sometimes. There is some rationale to restricting where you can carry.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Of course, Mateen could not be deported. He was born in New York.

Obviously, the gun issue is a big issue. This was a preplanned attack by him. He bought the pistol and rifle just a few days ago. A several day waiting period with full background check MIGHT have prevented the tragedy. The background check MIGHT have revealed the FBI check as well as the domestic abuse issue. How did he get and keep gun permits with domestic abuse issues and be selected for a job as an armed guard?
High capacity magazines are another issue to think about. The AR-15 style .223 has a 20 round magazine. Taped back to back makes 40 rounds. What civilian needs a 20 round magazine?

Off the soapbox now. Rocky and the Rollers were excellent tonight.

Richard.

You know we don't have guns. Guns are NOT the issue in this terrible tragedy. Radical Islamic terrorism is the issue. I don't know why anti-gun people keep changing the subject.

I am tired of politically correct discussions. Of course all Muslims aren't terrorists, but nonetheless, the powers that be who protect this country are watching mosques.

Sometimes we have to abandon being polite in the face of being safe.