[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by jamblu

Does the Villages have adequate security in your opinion? Anyone that rents can use the gate passes to gain entry into the communities?

Yes. We have a VERY low crime rate here.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

A gate pass is not needed to open Village gates. Our streets are no more or less safe, the anywhere else.

......and another reason why I choose to conceal carry.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by waynet

We had a good discussion. We have agreed not to agree. My last comment is a very simple one. No one in America should own or want a weapon that allows them to take 50 innocent lives in the blink of an eye. Hunt with something else. As I wrote earlier if you need 30 rounds to to kill an animal find another sport. And yes the major of weapons were on the original ban. And yes the AR15 is a weapon of mass destruction. Ask the families of Sandy Hook CT and see what answer you get. You want to give everybody guns,fine, I do not. As for Iraq and Syria I do not want to see more American lives wasted. And so far they have been wasted by previous Presidents.

You persist in failing to acknowledge that bans are ineffective. If bans worked we wouldn't have a drug problem or several million illegal aliens in our country.

You also obviously don't know that hunters don't use thirty round magazines. Five round magazines are made for a variety of semi-automatic hunting rifles. That's generally the limit in most states, just as shotguns are limited to three rounds when hunting ducks.

The Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle was introduced in 1911. One of these, with a detachable 20 round magazine, was used by Texas Ranger Frank Hamer in the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde. It is as deadly as the AR-15 but was never banned because it doesn't look like a military weapon. So you don't hear a hue and cry to ban it. It's all cosmetics.

"Weapons of mass destruction" has a precise meaning. No firearms are included. A weapon of mass destruction is a chemical, biological or radioactive weapon capable of causing widespread death and destruction.

Are you saying that you don't want to see ISIS crushed? That will mean continued attacks on American soil.

[Miles42]

The second amendment has little or nothing to do with hunting or target shooting. It protects all other rights period. Think nothing can ever happen then you have your head in the sand and have little knowledge of history.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Miles42

The second amendment has little or nothing to do with hunting or target shooting. It protects all other rights period. Think nothing can ever happen then you have your head in the sand and have little knowledge of history.

It seems highly improbably that ISIS or an ISIS inspired killer would target the Villages as this would really backfire on their movement. Mass killing of seniors and their grandkids would probably not be of much use for their propaganda machine.

Something else horrible could happen however. We should always be alert of our surroundings.

There was a little argument on 6/13/2016 at the Belvedere Gate because the guy ahead of me did not have his gate pass and the gate no longer had a red button. The button had been knocked off somehow and you could only use the gate card.

The guy behind me was getting in a yelling match with the guy in front of me.

I got out of the car after putting it in park and used my card to open the gate for the guy with no card available.

And off he went. The guy in the car ahead of me-- driving away. Situation diffused.

This could have escalated though if both guys were armed and willing to use their guns.

John Wesley Harding shot someone --Charles Cougar-- because he snored too loud. John Wesley Hardin | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers

Pretty hard to carry around a Gatling Gun though in the Old West. And now we have their equivalent in rate of fire or even faster among similar murderous hotheads in 2016.

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[graciegirl]

Information is beginning to emerge that Omar Mateen may have had problems with his own conflicted sexuality. Apparently he had a gay dating app on his phone and a witness said that he had communicated with him on this site and had seen him at the club, sitting and drinking by himself in the corner. The teachings of Islam against homosexuality, his reported anger issues, and this apparent conflict may have been part of the motive.

Now fifty people have died horribly. And fifty three more are suffering with terrible wounds.

[dplars]

One wonders what goes through the mind of someone like that especially when more information is coming out indicating he was gay and visited Pulse many time in the past. Also interesting the FBI censoring certain statements by Mateen's ex wife. Ex-wife’s bombshell claim: Club shooter was gay | New York Post

[xcaligirl]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Interestingly, the prohibition against concealed carry in an alcohol dispensing establishment does not apply to current and qualified retired law enforcement officers who are carrying under the provisions of the federal Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act (LEOSA). There are several hundred qualified carriers in The Villages.

Unfortunately, the owner of the business has the authority to exclude them, and many do. File that under "Stupid."

File that under the same "gun free zone" or, as the officials call it, "places of nuisance" law. I see the "gun free zones" as an invitation for the crazy people and terrorists.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by xcaligirl

File that under the same "gun free zone" or, as the officials call it, "places of nuisance" law. I see the "gun free zones" as an invitation for the crazy people and terrorists.

Do not the police and/or security people in these "gun free zones" have weapons??

I do not anyone armed but the Air Marshall on any airplane I am flying on. A shootout on an airplane at any height is a bad idea and even worse at 35,000 feet.

[xcaligirl]

Originally Posted by dplars

One wonders what goes through the mind of someone like that especially when more information is coming out indicating he was gay and visited Pulse many time in the past. Also interesting the FBI censoring certain statements by Mateen's ex wife. Ex-wife�s bombshell claim: Club shooter was gay | New York Post

She was really trying to choose her words carefully last night on CNN. She wouldn't even look at anyone or the camera. Obviously she knew more than what she was revealing. I thought maybe it was due to the investigation.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Information is beginning to emerge that Omar Mateen may have had problems with his own conflicted sexuality. Apparently he had a gay dating app on his phone and a witness said that he had communicated with him on this site and had seen him at the club, sitting and drinking by himself in the corner. The teachings of Islam against homosexuality, his reported anger issues, and this apparent conflict may have been part of the motive.

Now fifty people have died horribly. And fifty three more are suffering with terrible wounds.

Maybe he was still in the closet or about to come out - or he was casing the joint. He must have known only the front door was openable as from what I have heard the other doors were locked. He stood at the front door and initially shot the people trying to get out. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Maybe he was still in the closet or about to come out - or he was casing the joint. He must have known only the front door was openable as from what I have heard the other doors were locked. He stood at the front door and initially shot the people trying to get out. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.

It does sound like they had a security problem there. We do have to become a lot more careful about soft targets like this one.

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[graciegirl]

U.S. can't confirm reports Islamic State leader killed

This is changing the subject. But if El Bagdaddy(sp) has indeed been killed then I imagine that the world will be on heightened alert, being this is the Holy month of Ramadan and that Isis has messaged all followers to do Jihad.

[Here2Stay]

Just the mention of his name is his glory! I know his name well, but those killed I can't recall one name! I so wish the news media would never show his face on TV, they love this glory! He never mention his name, instead calling him the shooter, anything but giving him the glory of his name being remembered! This is what they all live for, knowing they get all the attention! Just saying!

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Do not the police and/or security people in these "gun free zones" have weapons??

I do not anyone armed but the Air Marshall on any airplane I am flying on. A shootout on an airplane at any height is a bad idea and even worse at 35,000 feet.

Well, no. Bouncers at bars are not often armed. If off duty police are used, they are armed. But one armed officer can easily be overpowered by an ambush, after which the gun free zone becomes a killing field.

You may be surprised to learn that there are thousands of armed individuals on commercial aircraft every day who are not Air Marshals. For twenty years I was one of them. They include all federal law enforcement agents. I sometimes flew in the cockpit.

In addition full-time municipal, county, state, tribal or territorial law enforcement officers may be armed if they meet certain criteria, including being on duty and armed in connection with duties or having an operational need for a firearm just before leaving or immediately upon arriving.