[GATORBILL66]

Originally Posted by MikeC

I was looking at new Nissan Rogues and Kia Sportage. Both cars have a surcharge above MSRP. KIA is $4995 and Nissan was $2995. They say it is because of supply and demand issues.

Both junk! I only buy American made cars. Keep the profits in the USA!

[Ecuadog]

Originally Posted by GATORBILL66

Both junk! I only buy American made cars. ...

I am neither a Nissan nor a Kia fan, but I'd be curious to know what you would consider buying.

[Chi-Town]

Attached is from 2013 when I bought a car from Jenkins. Between their basically useless value package ($3500) and additional options including a market parity adjustment ($2000) the total was raised over $6000 from the MRSP. Seeing this at the time made me laugh in disbelief. And this was ten years ago. Needless to say this went away as I headed for the door.

[bigeasy]

Nissan is made in Tennessee. Chevy Blazer is made in Mexico. Go figure.

[rsmurano]

American cars are junk. I did buy a newer f-150 which was very nice until it stopped running at any given time. People were getting in accidents and they wouldn’t do a recall on it until they were threatened with a lawsuit. And ford is the best truck out there.
As for KIA cars, they have some of the best rated cars/SUV’s out on the market, and the rogue from Nissan is very popular along with the Altima and the “Z”.
I shopped at 2 local dealers and the manager at 1 told me he raises the prices for villagers because they have money and they like the bogus add on’s. The other dealer raised their price online $5000 when I told them I would be coming up the next day to buy it.

[cjrjck]

I lived in South Texas and saw railroad train after railroad train coming from Mexico loaded with "American" cars. Heard the same is true in some parts of the upper Midwest bordering Canada. Just up the road from me in Texas was a Toyota plant where they made trucks. Look at your door sticker to see where your car was made. Correction, look at your door sticker to see where your car was assembled. Many of its components were likely made in other parts of the world no matter where it was assembled. Point is, nothing is what is seems anymore.

[Villagesgal]

We used the Costco auto service to order a Chevy Tahoe from one of their dealers and got exactly what we wanted after a 2 month wait to have it built and paid only 200 over dealer cost, 16,000 less than sticker price. Easiest car buying experience we ever had.

[TommyT]

Don't walk.... R U N !!!!

[dustflood]

Originally Posted by MikeC

I was looking at new Nissan Rogues and Kia Sportage. Both cars have a surcharge above MSRP. KIA is $4995 and Nissan was $2995. They say it is because of supply and demand issues.

We walked away from them just for that reason.

[JoelJohnson]

Bought a CRV from Jenkins for $500 below MSRP (took about 4 hours)

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by MikeC

I was looking at new Nissan Rogues and Kia Sportage. Both cars have a surcharge above MSRP. KIA is $4995 and Nissan was $2995. They say it is because of supply and demand issues.

Originally Posted by GATORBILL66

Both junk! I only buy American made cars. Keep the profits in the USA!

Kia and Nissan both manufacture cars in the USA.

Tesla is the only mainstream manufacturer who builds all their cars in the USA.

45% of GM cars and 30% of Fords, are manufactured outside the USA.

So you just keep buying those "American made cars", that are made in Mexico or Canada.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by MikeC

I was looking at new Nissan Rogues and Kia Sportage. Both cars have a surcharge above MSRP. KIA is $4995 and Nissan was $2995. They say it is because of supply and demand issues.

Please don't fall for that. Florida car dealers are awful. I have never even paid sticker, let alone above it.

[mrf0151]

The best way to purchase a new car is to first do your homework. Know what model and trim level you are wanting to purchase. Next find out what the dealer cost is so you know if you are getting a good deal or not. Choose 3 dealers to negotiate with. Start with calling the dealership and only talk to the internet manager. Going through the internet manager will get you your best bottom-line price. When you go into the dealership you will not have any hassle as you have picked your vehicle and price. Sign and drive.

[Babubhat]

Originally Posted by Villagesgal

We used the Costco auto service to order a Chevy Tahoe from one of their dealers and got exactly what we wanted after a 2 month wait to have it built and paid only 200 over dealer cost, 16,000 less than sticker price. Easiest car buying experience we ever had.

Posted this repeatedly. Yet so many want to make the process harder than it needs to be.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

Posted this repeatedly. Yet so many want to make the process harder than it needs to be.

Originally Posted by Villagesgal

We used the Costco auto service to order a Chevy Tahoe from one of their dealers and got exactly what we wanted after a 2 month wait to have it built and paid only 200 over dealer cost, 16,000 less than sticker price. Easiest car buying experience we ever had.

I was a new Salesman in the Auto business, for the Introduction of the 1973 Model run (August 1972).

It's 50 years later and for the last 25+ years, I've been a Consultant to an Auto Group that owns 19 dealerships.

First off, no one sold anyone a new Chevy Tahoe, for $16,000 under MSRP.. The "Profit Margin" from "Dealer Invoice" to MSRP is about 8%-10%, depending on options. The margin from actual cost to MSRP is 10%-14%, depending on current incentives from the Manufacturer. There are some rare occasions when a Dealer will set a vehicle for a loss, but it's very rare and relates to how Manufacturer Incentive programs work.

Anyone who believes Costco offers the best deal on new vehicles, is smokin' really good stuff. The same with AARP and every other "Buying Service". It's a big joke in the auto business, as the customer is lulled into believing they're getting a "great deal" and in fact, they're getting nothing special.

The same people posting on this thread, about how they shopped all over the universe, are the same people who bought their golf carts in The Villages and paid a $5000 premium to do it.

If you're shopping a for a new car, just exercise some common sense. The best deal isn't always the lowest price ... unless your time, aggravation quotient and patience are valueless.

There's a shortage of new vehicles right now, that's effecting almost all manufacturers. What happened 10 years ago when you bought a car or even 2 years ago, doesn't apply in today's market, unless you're buying a make/model that no one else wants. If you're buying a car in high demand and short supply, you're going to pay.

After 50 on & off years in the industry, I can tell you there are really only 2 truisms about getting a good "deal" when buying a new car (or used) ... buy during Christmas week or buy in the last 2-3 days in any month.