[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann

No. Baseball is based on honest statistics, and liars & cheaters have no place.

Babe Ruth from beyond the grave “Liked” this!

[kkosully]

It was a lifetime ban…. well his life is over… ban should be lifted… and in a few years he will be inducted.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Do you think Rose intended to hurt him? Was Fosse blocking the plate? Was Fosse trying to win a meaningless exhibition game? Who had more protection? A catcher or a base runner? Rose could have been injured as easily as Fosse and we might never have heard of Rose.

I have seen collisions at the plate in high school games which are meaningless.

And years ago, I was playing in a coed softball league. I was covering home plate (with no protection) and a girl was trying to score. I had the ball when she was about 20 feet from home plate. I expected her to slow up and be tagged. Instead, she kept coming full speed, lowered her shoulder, and ran into me. She knocked me down (but I held onto the ball). That was a meaningless exhibition game.

She sounds like she could’ve been the daughter of a Russian beet farmer....yeesh.

[Margefrog]

Dying is not an accomplishment and doesn't change what he did.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Margefrog

Dying is not an accomplishment and doesn't change what he did.

Rounding third and heading home.

You will be missed Charlie Hustle.

[TheDude]

Maybe he died on purpose so they ban would end and he could go in the place the ALL TIME hits leader, a record that will never be broken, should be.

Now I got to go legally bet on baseball, said all the current MLB players.

[bowtie]

If there was no credible evidence that he bet against his team, as a player or manager, then he should have never been banned.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

Autographs are stupid in general. It is a hassle for the one giving the autograph and (to me) it makes the autograph seeker realize how small they are and NEEDY to believe that the famous persons signature will make their life better. Being around a famous person for a small second is NOT going to make the not famous receiver of the autograph anything more than they already are. The whole autograph practice is wrong for many reasons in my opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Sure....just as soon as they let Bonds, McGuire, Clemens et al in. Yes all were on the juice but many others were as well and it’s well known MLB was complicit in that steroid era.
Rose was hard headed and probably would’ve got in if he just admitted his wrongdoing....unfortunately, he didn’t until it was too late. It’s just silly to me since the HOF in most sports is about your accomplishments in the game....not your character. If it was about the latter, a good percentage of these HOF would have a lot of empty spaces

I preferred Roberto Clemente both for his playing style and his character.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

During his playing and managing career, Pete Rose earned a total of $7.1 million in salaries. His highest-earning year was 1986 when the Cincinnati Reds paid Rose $1 million for managing the team.

That is a lot money but it is a pittance to what the top players make now.

I saw an interview with Mickey Mantle shortly before he died. Mantle made $1,128,000 during his entire career playing with the Yankees. At that time Roger Clemens was making more than $5 million a year. Mantle said that Clemens would more by Memorial Day than he did in his entire career.

Don't forget that the value of money (the dollar) has changed radically over all those years. You need to convert the older players salaries to today"s dollar value. What that will LIKELY reveal is that Mickey Mantle was probably paid as much as today's players. Note : I have NOT taken the time to make the actual calculation. I am not that interested. Someone else may be?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by asianthree

He was next door neighbor of close friends. Attended events at his home couple of times before the scandal, and once after he was banned.
Ban was a Hugh topic for years, I met many in that neighborhood that lost respect because of his actions. Rose never impressed me before he was caught, didn’t change much after the ban.

Just my opinion, but a life banned athlete, shouldn’t be allowed in any HOF.

What I would like to know is WHY he did NOT impress you? I think that ANY professional athlete in ANY sport is impressive. It is hard for a good high school athlete in a sport to make it to the next level - college level - many don't make it. Then the jump from college sports to professional is a great LEAP. I did NOT and still have dreams of the DISAPPOINTMENT.
.......Even if Pete Rose had ZERO personality and several other flaws, I would still be IMPRESSED and JEALOUS that he made it to the BIGS.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by bowtie

If there was no credible evidence that he bet against his team, as a player or manager, then he should have never been banned.

Doesn't work that way.
1. Betting was a known lifetime ban.
2. As a manager if I am betting to win tomorrow I don't use my best closer in the one run game today as I am saving him. Thus maybe I cost my team today's game. This is how only betting to win is not a valid excuse.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

Setting aside the kid rape, chronic adultery, degenerate gambling, pathological lying & raging narcissistic personality because they're "off the field", he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted & he will never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame, thankfully.

Sounds like all the things that Pete Rose did would make a pretty good book.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by blueash

Doesn't work that way.
1. Betting was a known lifetime ban.
2. As a manager if I am betting to win tomorrow I don't use my best closer in the one run game today as I am saving him. Thus maybe I cost my team today's game. This is how only betting to win is not a valid excuse.

True
But he wasn’t seeking admission as a manager!
Two separate and distinct inductions. We can all say he did or didn’t and we weren’t in those discussions when MLB tried to ‘mitigate’ the situation....yes, the same MLB that prospered (knowingly) in the steroid era. He didn’t want to make the deal with the devil. The devil...in this case, the unscrupulous MLB. More deals have been done with that devil....that the devil now has carpal tunnel syndrome!*

*RIP Greg Giraldo

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I will just say that you would never see Arnold Palmer charge for an autograph. He took his time to make sure his name was legible and encouraged younger pro golfers to do the same. Charging a fan for an autograph is disgraceful.

Arnold Palmer had a tremendous reputation for character and honesty. One story I heard - a young man came to the Palmer's house because he had a date with his daughter. Mr. Palmer offered to let him use his own large Cadillac because it would be safer than the young man's small car. Palmer was a legend in western Pa.