[badkarma318]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

You do realize OJ is still in the HOF right?
Again people...these (some) athletes are horrible human beings but until its changed, it's about on field/court/ice accomplishments. Character doesn't enter the equation unless its a butt hurt writer that can't stay on script and has an agenda

You do realize I separated the character flaws - "Setting aside . . .", from the hollow on-field accomplishments - "he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted", right?

He was a scumbag off the field, and a dishonorable cheater on it.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

Do you think Rose intended to hurt him? Was Fosse blocking the plate? Was Fosse trying to win a meaningless exhibition game? Who had more protection? A catcher or a base runner? Rose could have been injured as easily as Fosse and we might never have heard of Rose.

I have seen collisions at the plate in high school games which are meaningless.

And years ago, I was playing in a coed softball league. I was covering home plate (with no protection) and a girl was trying to score. I had the ball when she was about 20 feet from home plate. I expected her to slow up and be tagged. Instead, she kept coming full speed, lowered her shoulder, and ran into me. She knocked me down (but I held onto the ball). That was a meaningless exhibition game.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

You do realize I separated the character flaws - "Setting aside . . .", from the hollow on-field accomplishments - "he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted", right?

He was a scumbag off the field, and a dishonorable cheater on it.

I’m not defending his character....the only thing he’s been sanctioned for ...was as a manager, for gambling. If you want rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated to be the standard, then you have a lot of evictions to effect in Cooperstown. If ‘scumbaggery’ was the standard, the place would be nearly empty!

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

His ‘Charlie Hustle’ persona extended to ‘meaningless exhibition games’ as well. I was too young to remember the incident but have since watched the videos of it. I admire any athlete that plays with that type of intensity, sports blind....because that’s what made those eras in all sports so special. These All Star games are embarrassing today. They are all just corporate picnics ...the athleticism, competitive spirit and significance have all disappeared

[Rainger99]

I usually disagree with Stephen A. Smith. But even he got this one right!!

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[spjvette]

Roger Clemens started the pay for autographs

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

Joe DiMaggio as to why he always gave his best.

"There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best." Source: The Sporting News (April 4, 1951)

[jimkerr]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports

Why? He didn’t deserve it when he was alive and doesn’t deserve it now.

[jimkerr]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

I met him at a store where he was signing baseballs. He wanted $350.00 got his autograph. No thanks.

He was also extremely arrogant and wouldn’t even have a conversation with anyone. I guess he was not happy that nobody was paying for his worthless autograph.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by jimkerr

Why? He didn’t deserve it when he was alive and doesn’t deserve it now.

Of course not....why would you put the all time hits leader (a record that still stands and may never be eclipsed)....in Cooperstown?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Joe DiMaggio as to why he always gave his best.

"There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best." Source: The Sporting News (April 4, 1951)

It is easy to like a person with an attitude like Joe DiMaggio's. But pro athletes don't achieve megastar success based on their personality. They achieve it through excellence in their chosen sport. Many "superstars" were and are pretty dislikeable as human beings.

You can respect the accomplishments without respecting the person.

[airstreamingypsy]

No, he doesn't belong in the HOF. for the same reason he didn't belong when he was alive.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

You obviously don't know how sports collectible and card shows work. Arnold Palmer or any athlete that gets booked for these events...in addition to appearance fees, charges for autographs. Perfectly acceptable.
Idk if you think they're charging as players on the fields or courses ...never heard of that nonsense. On their own time either. They may decline a request but not pull out a bill fold or coin dispenser to make change for a fan. Smh

See Post No. 39.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports

No. Baseball is based on honest statistics, and liars & cheaters have no place.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

See Post No. 39.

Oh I see now. Athletes now have to give in to requests for free autographs at card shows....which the recipient will then sell off at a collectible show or EBay for a healthy return....but do so with some faux mutual admiration?!
It’s been used before but people really need to find new moral compasses in life....if athletes are that to so many I remind you, athletes, actors, politicians and yes even some ToTV members will always disappoint. Btw...feel free to visit my SUTB merch site on Amazon. Link withheld