[Patty55]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

About 5 children a day die from abuse. Many of those at the hand of their own parents, yet parents are not regulated. You don't need a license, you don't need training, the government even encourages parents to have children with tax credits and deductions. This means every 4 days as many little kids die as were killed in the recent shooting. Where is the cry and uproar to have parental control? shouldn't we protect the children by restricting who can be a parent? does a life only count if it's taken by a gun? Lets license and put controls on who can be parent before we think about restricitng guns, we will save far more kids. National Child Abuse Statistics | Childhelp

We could also save a lot of children's lives by putting seat belts on school buses.

I hate when special interest groups (the gun people, both pro/con)invade on the heartache of situations like CT to further their own agendas.

Originally Posted by Patty55

We could also save a lot of children's lives by putting seat belts on school buses.

I hate when special interest groups (the gun people, both pro/con)invade on the heartache of situations like CT to further their own agendas.

I do not believe that the NRA "invaded the heartache" of any situation. Factually, they were criticized for NOT responding to the event !!!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

About 5 children a day die from abuse. Many of those at the hand of their own parents, yet parents are not regulated. You don't need a license, you don't need training, the government even encourages parents to have children with tax credits and deductions. This means every 4 days as many little kids die as were killed in the recent shooting. Where is the cry and uproar to have parental control? shouldn't we protect the children by restricting who can be a parent? does a life only count if it's taken by a gun? Lets license and put controls on who can be parent before we think about restricitng guns, we will save far more kids. National Child Abuse Statistics | Childhelp

You are on the cusp of the real problem here !!

Recall when children were conceived as a result of an act of love ? Recall when most children were considered a gift from God ? Recall when children were considered a responsibility and THE primary responsibility ?

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

Probably was a good idea....just unenforceable...just like gun control.

Gun control is quite enforceable ... Just not it appears in the USA. Countries all over the world have responsible gun control.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are on the cusp of the real problem here !!

Recall when children were conceived as a result of an act of love ? Recall when most children were considered a gift from God ? Recall when children were considered a responsibility and THE primary responsibility ?

Yes you get it! It comes down to respect, responsibility and morals. All of which are dead today. No one is responsible for their behavior anymore (the guns are bad, not the people). There's no respect for human life, or anything else for that matter (people will use an event like a shooting to try and further their goals) but totally ignor other more serious events, like child abuse that kill more children's lives. The moral decay of the USA makes everything OK so therefore there is no responsibility, respect and morals. It's a circle that's more like a black hole. The constitution isn't the problem, people are the problem.

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by Patty55

We could also save a lot of children's lives by putting seat belts on school buses.

I hate when special interest groups (the gun people, both pro/con)invade on the heartache of situations like CT to further their own agendas.

I agree with seat belts on school buses and don't know what you mean with the second part of your post.

[Serenoa]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Gun control is quite enforceable ... Just not it appears in the USA. Countries all over the world have responsible gun control.

.............resulting in a small percentage of the gun related deaths that we have.

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by Monkei

Gun control is quite enforceable ... Just not it appears in the USA. Countries all over the world have responsible gun control.

Yes, it does work. Just ask those in Cambodia, Russia (USSR), Pre WW II Germany, China and other places where gun control was brought by the government. Oh, that's right, lots of those folks won't be able to answer you, their government killed them.

Now define "responsible" gun control and we may be able to start a discussion. Or did you really mean "people control."

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Yes, it does work. Just ask those in Cambodia, Russia (USSR), Pre WW II Germany, China and other places where gun control was brought by the government. Oh, that's right, lots of those folks won't be able to answer you, their government killed them.

Now define "responsible" gun control and we may be able to start a discussion. Or did you really mean "people control."

And you can also ask those in (gun deaths - 2011) Canada 52, Japan 48, Great Britain 8, Switzerland 21, Germany 42, Sweden 21, Israel 58, UNITED STATES 10,728. Source NRA

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Yes, it does work. Just ask those in Cambodia, Russia (USSR), Pre WW II Germany, China and other places where gun control was brought by the government. Oh, that's right, lots of those folks won't be able to answer you, their government killed them.

Now define "responsible" gun control and we may be able to start a discussion. Or did you really mean "people control."

I think Cambodia, Russia (USSR), Pre WW II Germany, China were/are trying to control their people where the US is trying to protect their people.

[Challenger]

Legislation aimed at controlling sales of semi-automatic weapons by dealers , colectors and others is clearly enforceable. It is done in other countries. Such a ban would not in my opinion reduce the gun episodes (to any significant degree) in the lifetime of anyone reading this post. There are many millions of semi automatic weapons already in the hands of both criminals, mentally ill and law abiding citizens and anything short of a major confiscation effort would leave plenty of oppurtunity for those wanting to use them to bad ends. I believe that an effort at confiscation would lead to a silent (or maybe not so silent) revolt. IMO many otherwise law abiding citizens would become law breakers . We need a balanced approach to the many aspects of this problem keeping in mind the non intended consequences of almost any new laws and regulations. I am not advocating that issues related to gun purchase and ownership be exempt from review and modification . Disclosure : I own two semi automatic weapons. No carry permit.

[rubicon]

In 1987 Micheal Ryan Hungerford england killed 16 people inclding his mother and wounded 14 other.

In mach 1996 Micheal hamilton walked into dunblane Scotland primary school killed 16 children their teacher and wounded10 other children Hamilton had a certified firearm.

In June 2010 Derrick bird in cumbria england shot his brother and then and killed 12people and wounded 11 more

In 1996 Martin Bryant at Port Arthur prison site in Tasmanaia killed 35 and wounded 21 WSJ 12/27/12

[LndLocked]

Originally Posted by rubicon

In 1987 Micheal Ryan Hungerford england killed 16 people inclding his mother and wounded 14 other.

In mach 1996 Micheal hamilton walked into dunblane Scotland primary school killed 16 children their teacher and wounded10 other children Hamilton had a certified firearm.

In June 2010 Derrick bird in cumbria england shot his brother and then and killed 12people and wounded 11 more

In 1996 Martin Bryant at Port Arthur prison site in Tasmanaia killed 35 and wounded 21 WSJ 12/27/12

No one is simplistic enough to think that any type of weapons / gun regulations will complete stop these types of tragedies. HOWEVER, all three of these countries have far far less loss of live due to gun violence per capita than the USofA.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Legislation aimed at controlling sales of semi-automatic weapons by dealers , colectors and others is clearly enforceable. It is done in other countries. Such a ban would not in my opinion reduce the gun episodes (to any significant degree) in the lifetime of anyone reading this post. There are many millions of semi automatic weapons already in the hands of both criminals, mentally ill and law abiding citizens and anything short of a major confiscation effort would leave plenty of oppurtunity for those wanting to use them to bad ends. I believe that an effort at confiscation would lead to a silent (or maybe not so silent) revolt. IMO many otherwise law abiding citizens would become law breakers . We need a balanced approach to the many aspects of this problem keeping in mind the non intended consequences of almost any new laws and regulations. I am not advocating that issues related to gun purchase and ownership be exempt from review and modification . Disclosure : I own two semi automatic weapons. No carry permit.

If just one life is saved by new legislation this year, it will be worth it, especially to that person and their family.

The majority have spoken on this issue, and there will be new laws in the coming year IMO. That's what being a democracy is all about and this is a country that believes in law and order.

[graciegirl]

What happens to a gun when the owner dies?

I think there should be some accountability as to who has them.

All this intensity is so new to me. I have never run into it before moving here. I am a pretty conservative person but this intensity and fear about any discussion of change to gun ownership really seems to frighten people.

What happens if the owner of a gun goes into dementia? Sometimes misplaced anger and hyperirritablity occurs in aging. People lose their drivers licenses when they are deemed unsafe to drive.