[ugotme]

I can not imagine a more horrible event.

Yes, I am a gun owner. Politics aside, something needs to be done - but what?

As OldcoachED has stated, safety and mental competence are (obviously) important aspects when issuing a permit to a person.
As a former instructor, safety ALWAYS came first. Don't mean to put Figmo on the spot but I do believe he will agree with me.

However, does anyone REALLY think that criminals - repeat - CRIMINALS are going to obey more gun laws?

Do you really think that ALL guns could be collected and
destroyed - IMPOSSIBLE!

BTW - Almost every handgun you buy is NOT an automatic weapon - this is a misnomer. They are semi-automatic - you have to pull the trigger each time to shoot.

I confess that I do not have the answer.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by John_W

Florida will soon issue it's 1,000,000 concealed weapons permit. That means 1 in every 18 Floridian is probably carrying a gun legally. I believe that's one of the reasons we don't see events like this in florida.
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A very bold statement that cannot be proven.

[pooh]

If one's grandchild was a victim of this unthinkable tragedy, I wonder just how thoughts on gun control might be affected?

Talking about how and what should be done when not directly impacted by tragedy may just change when someone we love suffers.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Bucco

While I do not understand how you say what you say about me playing a martyr, I suggest you read the comments that accompany folks who do not endorse any more regulation....hoping that they did not have any children killed or grandchildren or a reminder of the kind of bullet used.

NOBODY, for sure me..is touting the NRA.....my posts on this have been crystal clear.....there are no biases from me. If I have ever touted the NRA, I would love to have a copy of that post. A poster has followed a few folks who want no further legislation with comments that are pointed at "hoping that those posters did not have a grandchildren killed"

That is unfair...not sure why you feel so strongly about me...my posts have supported your position, but I do not like the guilt trip being laid on other folks....it is not fair !

Sorry if you find my posts offensive !! I find the kind of posting I referred to as very offensive and political

I do not and never have supported the NRA.....I made that clear....it is not an issue with me..fairness is

I didn't say I find your posts offensive, you are generally thoughtful and make good arguments, though I often disagree with them. I apologize if I misstated your intent. You are correct that it is unfair to imply that people that are against gun control are somehow in favor of these kinds of killings. I too am a crusader for fairness.

[Jim&Fran]

It doesn't matter what side of the isle I stand or what position I take. It seems as if the thread here is leaning very Political.
I thought that "political views and referances were banned" in Talk of the Villages.
Just saying.......

[cologal]

Originally Posted by scarecrow1

I think its pretty sad that you can only put three slugs in a shotgun when your hunting deer but you can put a hundred round it a semi-automatic gun for protection. I think the deer are safer than we are.

Great post!!!!

[rubicon]

My concern is that politicians being politicians that they will take the easy way out and blame it on guns and ignore the fact that the guns in question did not belong to this unstable person but his mother, This was a family with money and intelligence and yet this young man was not contained. Perhaps his outrage was instantaneous? My guess their were signs.

We cannot address politics on this thread but one cannot ignore the global attempt to ban guns as a part of this discussion. To me such an attempt is not in the best interests of Americans for those reasons explained when passing the 2nd Amendment.

This gun issue is very emotional. I cannot and will not discuss it with my wife because if she had her way guns would have never been invited

Again state laws have to create better avenues for the treatment of people with neuro-brain disorders. The Mentaa Health System has to improve and funds have to be available. Ffinally society has to education itself that mental health issue should be looked at as any other disease because once you break through the stigma much can be accomplished

Finally I heard an expert on the news state that he went back in time and found that in 1922 several young children were killed in aschool, I forgot which state but guns were not used the man set off a bomb.

[mrdarcy]

I'm a staunch conservative, but I heartily agree with a ban on assault weapons.

[shcisamax]

While the mental health issue must be addressed, it isn't going to be solved anytime soon. I am still not convinced that you need a gun with a reloadable clip that can kill 26 people in less than two minutes to feel you can protect your family...from WHAT? or to go hunting? We have to come up with a reasonable, I repeat reasonable, solution to what is on the market. I would really like to know why his mother bought all these guns.

[mulligan]

IMHO, it's way too late for any ban on any or all guns to be effective. There are too many of them out there to control already. If sales were stopped in the US, our gracious NAFTA partners would send them across our borders.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by mulligan

IMHO, it's way too late for any ban on any or all guns to be effective. There are too many of them out there to control already. If sales were stopped in the US, our gracious NAFTA partners would send them across our borders.

That seems like a very realistic assessment. A ban though might get the assault rifles out of the hands of some people with evil intentions like the CT school shooter. He looks like someone who just had a very evil approach of showing his anger and rage at his mother and everything she loved. She would shoot these guns--hers--with him and taught him how to use the guns used in CT's elementary school massacre. Some people are just evil. There are very many men and woman in history who were not mentally ill just rotten to the core. Not sure how they got that way but it seemed that their evil thoughts and intentions were their own and not based on any messed up chemicals streaming through their brains.

It seems unfair to put the onus of this evil on people who are struggling with genuine mental illness problems who never harm anyone. There are millions of these people in the US. Do some research on the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. http://www.nami.org/

[Cantwaittoarrive]

When the OK City bombing occured no one said lets ban box trucks, don't forget there was a pre-school in the federal building. After 9/11 no one said lets ban airplanes after all there were kids and 3,000 + people killed in a mass murder ! Why? Because most people could see the box truck and the airplanes were just tools used by deranged, mis-guided people to accomplish their goal. The minute guns become involved people seem to lose their ability to think clearly and instead of blaming the act on deranged, mis-guided people it becomes the fault of the gun and the gut reacation is to take away or limit the right to bear arms that have been paid for dearly by so many. Has anyone asked what would have happened if the killer didn't have a gun but was dead set on doing his deed? He could have used a bomb and killed everyone in the school or who knows he might of done nothing but, we shouldn't be so quick to give away our rights

[lovesports]

The more details coming out, the worst it gets.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mrdarcy

I'm a staunch conservative, but I heartily agree with a ban on assault weapons.

Originally Posted by lovesports

The more details coming out, the worst it gets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbejN...ature=youtu.be
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mulligan
IMHO, it's way too late for any ban on any or all guns to be effective. There are too many of them out there to control already. If sales were stopped in the US, our gracious NAFTA partners would send them across our borders.

That seems like a very realistic assessment. A ban though might get the assault rifles out of the hands of some people with evil intentions like the CT school shooter. He looks like someone who just had a very evil approach of showing his anger and rage at his mother and everything she loved. She would shoot these guns--hers--with him and taught him how to use the guns used in CT's elementary school massacre. Some people are just evil. There are very many men and woman in history who were not mentally ill just rotten to the core. Not sure how they got that way but it seemed that their evil thoughts and intentions were their own and not based on any messed up chemicals streaming through their brains.

It seems unfair to put the onus of this evil on people who are struggling with genuine mental illness problems who never harm anyone. There are millions of these people in the US. Do some research on the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. http://www.nami.org/

I tried to multiquote but couldn't capture all of the remarks I thought were wonderful...


When we all speak from our hearts, and are honest, we come up with wonderful, caring and insiteful, thought provoking posts like these.

As we age we become more insistent on our beliefs and that does not pave the way for compromise and finding answers. The people quoted above are admired by me for these statements.

And of course, I could be wrong and often am.

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