[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

You don't think our parents said roughly the same about our generation's artistry and values? (And their parents before them, etc., etc.)

Polar Bear: Really! You think what you witnessing on music videos today is what we did? Not on my block. You believe the social norms today equate with our day? Not on my block. You think that boastful vulgarity was tolerated in our day? Not on my block

Yes our parents said the same thing about us, but can you imagine what they would be thinking and saying about today's young generation? I'll bet we would be looking good to them

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Polar Bear: Really! You think what you witnessing on music videos today is what we did? Not on my block. You believe the social norms today equate with our day? Not on my block. You think that boastful vulgarity was tolerated in our day? Not on my block

Yes our parents said the same thing about us, but can you imagine what they would be thinking and saying about today's young generation? I'll bet we would be looking good to them

Have you talked to some of the people in this born 2000-2010 generation? Granted there are some troubled kids that make the national news but many of them seem very well adjusted given what they see in movies and on TV as well as in some popular books series like The Hunger Games.

Talk to some of the Villages' kids. I mean those going to the various charter schools.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Polar Bear: Really! You think what you witnessing on music videos today is what we did? Not on my block. You believe the social norms today equate with our day? Not on my block. You think that boastful vulgarity was tolerated in our day? Not on my block

Yes our parents said the same thing about us, but can you imagine what they would be thinking and saying about today's young generation? I'll bet we would be looking good to them

Do you think that the social norms of the sixties equated with those of the forties? Or those of the eighties equated with those of the sixties?

How much did our society and culture change from 1980 to 2000?

Each generation though that the one following was outrageous. The world been evolving (or devolving depending on your perspective) since the beginning of time.

Do you remember what our parents said about The Beatles? Yet they were mild compared to what's going on today. But they were outrageous compared to Sinatra who was a similar teenage fad that parents hated.

Do you remember when Clark Gable said "damn" in a movie. It was outrageous. I'm sure the grandparents of that time thought that was just as bad as what we think of today's youth. The world was going to hell. Ooops, maybe I shouldn't have said hell.

Of course today's social norms are way different than those of the 1890s. We've gone though almost seven generations which each one changing a bit more than the last.

I don't know what's going to happen in the future and I'm not sure that I want to know. I do know that things are going to change and our children are going to look at their children and think about the good old days of the early 2000s when decency ruled.

[Taltarzac725]

Flashback: See Prince and Sheryl Crow's 'Everyday Is a Winding Road' | Rolling Stone

Sheryl Crow and Prince in concert in 1999.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by rubicon

...Yes our parents said the same thing about us...

So we agree then.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

So we agree then.

Some things do remain pretty much the same, over time.

the kingston trio merry minuet - Bing video

[jbdlfan]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

You don't think our parents said roughly the same about our generation's artistry and values? (And their parents before them, etc., etc.)

I think this is before your parents.....
Plato complained
about the youth of the day, also. "What is happening to our young
people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They
ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?" I think this is
a direct quote, but can't find the reference at the moment.

Here's another one:
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

[jbdlfan]

Elvis- drug user, drunk, womanizer
Sinatra-mob, drunk, womanizer
Dean Martin- drunk, womanizer
Hank Williams-drunk, womanizer
Billy Holiday-drunk, drugs
Johnny Cash-everything
This stuff isn't unique. It was just hidden better by the press. Same goes with athletes, movie stars and politicians.

[manaboutown]

Well, Prince lived long enough to join the AARP and get senior discounts at some restaurants. I wonder if he was being given a senior discount after he turned 55 on the drugs he was buying. He should at least have received a volume discount.

[graciegirl]

It appears that Prince did indeed have a drug problem.

[goodtimesintv]

Still haven't seen justification for taxpayer money to be spent on costly lighting shows on city halls, state capitols, and interstate bridges for him.......

.....Especially when the honoree's religion forbids pledging allegiance to our nation and service in our military.

I don't think any pubic buildings have had light shows for the brave wounded warriors who've died and have gone and stood in the gap, for us.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by redwitch

1. Prince spoke out frequently against any drug abuse. He must have been in great pain to use Percocet if his private life was even close to his public image, especially given his religion.
2. Autopsy results are not in, so any cause of death is nothing but pure speculation.
3. I doubt Prince was gender conflicted in the least. He was known to have dated and bedded many beautiful women in his younger days. Don't confuse outlandish costumes by entertainers with their personal activities.

Rail as much as you like about the hero-worship and public expense of purple lights, that's reasonable. But get your facts straight About someone before you start calling them names.

Great post.

Originally Posted by jbdlfan

I think this is before your parents.....
Plato complained
about the youth of the day, also. "What is happening to our young
people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They
ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?" I think this is
a direct quote, but can't find the reference at the moment.

Here's another one:
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint" (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

Thank you for posting. I was searching for these quotes when posters were complaining about today's young people.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I think Prince was despondent over not getting the L'il Sweet gig with Dr Pepper.

[graciegirl]

Help came too late after someone reached out to a dependency specialist who sent his son on the red eye from California and who arrived that morning to find him unresponsive and was the one who called 911.

I am sure you all know this after having seen the news today. I am afraid his dependency was far more serious than treatment for pain in his hip.

[Nucky]

I help people who have various addiction's. Unless you have first hand knowledge with a family member or friend or yourself then what I can tell you is this pain medication thing is the Devil. Before you realize it it has a hold of you. The things these people go thru and the things they put the people around them through is a very rough thing to see and hear about. This poor young man even though he had unlimited funds and such talent was another victim and it is a shame that he is ever judged. If his passing help's another person to find recovery then that's the best that we can hope for. The addict doesn't really want to continue a life of pain and shame but sometimes doesn't reach out for help until it's too late. Their life is out of control and they can't help themselves. What a wasted life.