[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Actually I doubt if that is correct. And experts are about as good as whoever is paying them for their expertise.

And the US right now is one of the most corrupt countries on earth. Top 10 Ways the United States Is the Most Corrupt Country in the World

Actually it is correct. The fact that you doubt it means nothing.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

Actually it is correct. The fact that you doubt it means nothing.

Border Patrol Professionals Weigh In On What's Needed: Wall Or Fence : NPR

Depends on which border patrol "expert" you ask.

BURNETT: So I talked to line agents in South Texas, but they'll say there's too much emphasis on the wall these days, and it's just as important to have cameras and sensors and lights and manpower in the mix.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

Based upon the initial post, I don't see that the OP opposed immigration, but opened this tread to discuss the ramifications of the current system allowing uncontrolled immigration. I am curious as to what other type of immigration there is besides controlled and uncontrolled that was alluded to above?

There will always be a way to "game the system" and I don't think anyone will guarantee an absolute, but that should not preclude a wall as part of an integrated system to manage uncontrolled immigration. The wall does not have to be from sea to shining sea, but can help funnel uncontrolled immigrants to places where more effective intervention can occur. It can also act as a delaying action to slow down the number of people who make it across until the authorities can get to the scene. The integration of technology with the wall can make this happen.

A big FIRST step would be to fix the flawed immigration laws that BOTH sides have let the people of the United States down. Should one choose to ignore the data because of it's origin, perhaps a good microcosm of the downstream effects of uncontrolled immigration would be the lawsuit that the City San Diego was filing or discussing against Washington due to the negative impact on the city's resources that is happening as a result of the release of families into the community as required by current law.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Border Patrol Professionals Weigh In On What's Needed: Wall Or Fence : NPR

Depends on which border patrol "expert" you ask.

The credibility of CNN “reporters” has already been established recently but if you read what Burnett said and you quoted you may want to edit or delete it because she she talks about ‘emphasis” or her “opinion” of what the Agents said not the NEED. To construct a wall.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

But there is benefit from BETTER controlled immigration. It's not an all or nothing option. The immigration system we have is broken. It's been broken, and as long as funds are misspent, unspent, underspent, or otherwise not spent on more efficient immigration processes, it will continue to be broken. No wall will fix immigration. It won't even put a dent into it. People climb over, tunnel under, and drive right through the border gates hidden away in trucks because we choose not to spend it on the available technology needed to keep up with the smuggling.

The perspective of the OP is flawed, because it's based on untrue data. This current batch of perspective regarding "uncontrolled" vs. "controlled" immigration is flawed, because it assumes those are the only two possible options.

You forgot to preface your opinion with IMHO...the thread was/is about the impacts of the illegal immigration.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

The credibility of CNN “reporters” has already been established recently but if you read what Burnett said and you quoted you may want to edit or delete it because she she talks about ‘emphasis” or her “opinion” of what the Agents said not the NEED. To construct a wall.

That is hilarious. Check your facts. John Burnett : NPR

As NPR's Southwest correspondent based in Austin, Texas, John Burnett covers immigration, border affairs, Texas news and other national assignments. In 2018, he won an Edward R. Murrow Award from the Radio-Television News Directors Association for continuing coverage of the immigration beat, and he was invited to participate in a workshop on Refugees, Immigration and Border Security in Western Europe, sponsored by the RIAS Berlin Commission.

[manaboutown]

Back in the 1950s when I was growing up in NM chile and other types of farmers along the Rio Grande valley in Southern NM used to hire illegal aliens to cultivate and harvest their crops. The illegals were hard workers and cheap. The Mexican border was of course nearby, right across the Rio Grande, and the wetbacks or wets as locals called back them did literally swim and wade cross it to work. They took their wages back home to support their families. They did not commit much crime. It was a peaceful situation and beneficial to all parties.

Today the situation is vastly different. Drug cartels, human trafficking, terrorists, M13 and other gangs as well as petty criminals who cross the border to steal in one way or another then flee back to Mexico constitute a huge proportion of the flow.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Back in the 1950s when I was growing up in NM chile and other types of farmers along the Rio Grande valley in Southern NM used to hire illegal aliens to cultivate and harvest their crops. The illegals were hard workers and cheap. The Mexican border was of course nearby, right across the Rio Grande, and the wetbacks or wets as locals called back them did literally swim and wade cross it to work. They took their wages back home to support their families. They did not commit much crime. It was a peaceful situation and beneficial to all parties.

Today the situation is vastly different. Drug cartels, human trafficking, terrorists, M13 and other gangs as well as petty criminals who cross the border to steal in one way or another then flee back to Mexico constitute a huge proportion of the flow.

...and most of that is done AT the border gates, and via airplanes. Drug cartels aren't sending mules to spend countless weeks enduring near starvation, severe dehydration, on foot with inadequate supplies and even decent shoes, to cross the rivers and tramp through wilderness. That just flat out isn't happening. The drugs are coming in at the border gates. And they're coming in at the border gates because the US has insufficient technology and staff to handle the influx. The government is now pulling even more resources away from the border gates, in order to build the wall. Instead of, y'know, adding more staff, getting more technology, and maybe even adding a few more gates so that more people can get stopped, HUMANELY, vetted HUMANELY, and their status as refugees and asylum-seekers determined HUMANELY.

The vast majority of people crossing illegally into this country away from the actual border gates and checkpoints, are refugees and asylum-seekers and others wanting risk their lives for a shot at improving those lives - if they survive the trip. Imagine how miserable your life must be, to risk it for a shot at improvement, knowing that when you finally make it to the other side, someone could catch you, pull your children away from you and send you to a detention camp, and then put your kids into other detention camps that are mismanaged, and you might never see them again. They know this is a risk they take, and they're willing to take it anyway. Imagine how horrific your family's life must be, in the place you live, that you would risk that to come to another country. Those are the *majority* of people trying to come here illegally.

The *majority* of the people whose lives aren't that horrific, are travelling right through the gates.

[billethkid]

What one person views as political another does not.

I am the OP and the thread was created with no political thought what so ever.

Differences of opinions does not equal political. Disagreement does not equal political.

Frank and open discussion is needed on serious subjects that have potential to affect our lives.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by billethkid

What one person views as political another does not.

I am the OP and the thread was created with no political thought what so ever.

Differences of opinions does not equal political. Disagreement does not equal political.

Frank and open discussion is needed on serious subjects that have potential to affect our lives.

I completely agree that this is not a political discussion. It is gods word versus the rule of law.

Gods word says let them all in with open arms and assistance both with money and shelter.

The laws of this country dictates that if are not here under one form of legality or another, deport them now.

That is why I’m on the fence. I want to be kind, but not at the expense of being homeless myself.

I would love to see a solution to this issue.

[sallybowron]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

I completely agree that this is not a political discussion. It is gods word versus the rule of law.

Gods word says let them all in with open arms and assistance both with money and shelter.

The laws of this country dictates that if are not here under one form of legality or another, deport them now.

That is why I’m on the fence. I want to be kind, but not at the expense of being homeless myself.

I would love to see a solution to this issue.

So would I, we have way more than most countries but I don't want to shrink down to homeless either.

[manaboutown]

This is typical of the activity illegals are pursuing these days, and the judges keep releasing them "on their own recognizance" rather than locking them up. ‘Arsenal’ of weapons, heroin and meth seized in ABQ >> Albuquerque Journal

[rjm1cc]

Originally Posted by Kerry Azz

Our country and values were built on immigrants coming to America and making a life here!
If someone is not happy with having people coming into the country they are always free to leave.

No they should work to have the laws allow what they want.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

This is typical of the activity illegals are pursuing these days, and the judges keep releasing them "on their own recognizance" rather than locking them up. ‘Arsenal’ of weapons, heroin and meth seized in ABQ >> Albuquerque Journal

No, that is not "typical" of activities that illegal immigrants are pursuing "these days." Again - that's politics and propaganda speaking, not fact.

Typical immigrants without legal status or documentation are mostly under the radar, working legitimate jobs with expired visas (they arrived legally, they stay illegally). They pay taxes, they do their jobs, they come home, kiss their spouses and kids, have dinner, and do it all again the next day. THAT is the "typical" activity.

What you are describing is the A-typical. The same can be said for legal citizens of the USA. Typical activity for most of us in this country is to work, have families, pay taxes, get an education of some kind or another, and live our lives without much to-do. The A-typical among us commit crimes, some of them horrific.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

No, that is not "typical" of activities that illegal immigrants are pursuing "these days." Again - that's politics and propaganda speaking, not fact.

Typical immigrants without legal status or documentation are mostly under the radar, working legitimate jobs with expired visas (they arrived legally, they stay illegally). They pay taxes, they do their jobs, they come home, kiss their spouses and kids, have dinner, and do it all again the next day. THAT is the "typical" activity.

What you are describing is the A-typical. The same can be said for legal citizens of the USA. Typical activity for most of us in this country is to work, have families, pay taxes, get an education of some kind or another, and live our lives without much to-do. The A-typical among us commit crimes, some of them horrific.

Unfortunately this, IMHO, is muddying the waters. The predominant issue at hand is the number of uncontrolled immigrants currently attempting to enter the country. This is not to say that there isn't a concern by some regarding all immigrants who are not here legally.

I am still waiting to hear what other types of immigration there are besides controlled and uncontrolled that was previously alluded.

Unfortunately moving forward to solve the issue may be a hope and never a reality. Statistics are challenged when they don't meet an agenda, people are grouped based upon their position about people who come here illegally. Policies and practices regarding uncontrolled immigration that were practiced on BOTH sides of the aisle are convienently ignored by one side as it doesn't fit an agenda. HELLO, all citizens of the US should be upset and working toward a common goal. How will this ever happen when people, even on this discussion board, insist on their agenda and not a common beneficial endpoint?