[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

The ONLY known Number

WRONG...
Yale Study 2018 says22 Million up to 29 million. This dies not includetbeir offspring who are citizens born here but whose parents are illegal..


Yale Study Finds Twice as Many Undocumented Immigrants as Previous Estimates | Yale Insights

[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

I'm not Christian, and I agree with you. You don't have to be Christian to be compassionate and wish for peaceful co-existence with your fellow human.

Peaceful?

DOJ: 26% of Federal Prisoners Are Aliens | Center for Immigration Studies

[villagerjack]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

"Saint Judy" tells story of immigration case that changed asylum law - YouTube

Movie about asylum playing in the Villages right now.

Saint Judy (2019) - Rotten Tomatoes

Sounds like a tearjerker but asylum laws are destroying our Great Country..

These are some of the Asylum seekers , just in the State of Texas.


Over 250,000 criminal aliens were booked in Texas local jails between June 2011 and April 2018. These individuals were charged with more than 663,000 offenses, including:

1,351 homicide charges
79,049 assault charges
18,685 burglary charges
79,900 drug charges
815 kidnapping charges
44,882 theft charges
50,777 obstructing police charges
4,292 robbery charges
7,156 sexual assault charges
9,938 weapons charges.

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

Sounds like a tearjerker but asylum laws are destroying our Great Country..

These are some of the Asylum seekers , just in the State of Texas.


Over 250,000 criminal aliens were booked in Texas local jails between June 2011 and April 2018. These individuals were charged with more than 663,000 offenses, including:

1,351 homicide charges
79,049 assault charges
18,685 burglary charges
79,900 drug charges
815 kidnapping charges
44,882 theft charges
50,777 obstructing police charges
4,292 robbery charges
7,156 sexual assault charges
9,938 weapons charges.

Statistics can be construed to say what ever your bias!

[Bogie Shooter]

1 billion dollars on the way from the Pentagon.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

Sounds like a tearjerker but asylum laws are destroying our Great Country..

These are some of the Asylum seekers , just in the State of Texas.


Over 250,000 criminal aliens were booked in Texas local jails between June 2011 and April 2018. These individuals were charged with more than 663,000 offenses, including:

1,351 homicide charges
79,049 assault charges
18,685 burglary charges
79,900 drug charges
815 kidnapping charges
44,882 theft charges
50,777 obstructing police charges
4,292 robbery charges
7,156 sexual assault charges
9,938 weapons charges.

How many were found guilty?

[retiredguy123]

I understand that having a wall does nothing to stop asylum applicants. The wall is built on U.S. property. So, anyone who shows up on either side of the wall is on U.S. property, and can ask for asylum. Then, they are processed and released into our country. At this point, they are not illegal aliens, but legal residents awaiting a court hearing on their asylum application. So, what will the wall accomplish with respect to these asylum seekers?

[Trayderjoe]

Take out the history, as people, places, and conditions change over time, it is called evolution. Just because we did something one way in the past does not immediately validate the process as being the only/right way to do it now. We CHANGE. Remove the statistics from the discussion since any statistic appears to be challenged, even if the numbers are provided by "the boots on the ground". Set aside race as an argument as the the introduction of rascism immediately shuts down the conversation. Ignore the reports from the news media since there is a definite bias (interestingly there is another thread that talks about media bias).

So starting from the bare bones, what benefits does uncontrolled immigration offer that controlled immigration does not? I can't think of any myself. Can anyone else identify such benefits?

Should there not be a demonstrable list of such benefits, I would therefore propose that controlled immigration already provides the benefits that uncontrolled immigration supporters espouse.

[retiredguy123]

The benefits? In a nutshell, cheap labor and votes.

[thetruth]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

You really should re-visit your history lessons. This country was founded on hostile invasion of uninvited foreigners. They were not "legal immigrants." There was no system of law in place to determine immigration status. But they did come, by the hundreds, bringing disease and death with them.

There are many reasons to want to step up on existing immigration law and border patrol. "This country was founded on legal immigration" is not one of them.

Any of these issues can be argued, with no solution, forever.

The fact that no one can argue with is that since 1950, the population of the United States has roughly doubled.

We along with discussing ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, I'm certain all have opinions on global warming, pollution, GMOs, whales etc etc etc etc.

Truly simple fact, it is all due to population. It is interesting that neither party is willing to discuss this issue. Even China a dictatorship has given up.

FAIR? An often used word. It is so broad that what is fair can also be argued forever with no positive result.

Need for labor. My view we should invest in training citizens for jobs.

NOTHING, IN THE REAL WORLD, WILL EVER BE PERFECT.

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The benefits? In a nutshell, cheap labor and votes.

And those two reasons are why our elected representatives (both parties)
have failed for decades, to address the problem of illegal immigration!

[jebartle]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The benefits? In a nutshell, cheap labor and votes.

And jobs filled that no one else wants, sad but true!

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by jebartle

And jobs filled that no one else wants, sad but true!

Anybody remember this?

Operation Wetback | United States immigration law-enforcement campaign | Britannica.com

[billethkid]

Another benefit of living in the bubble called The Villages is there is little or no impact of the immigration, legal, illegal or what ever as they do not live here.
Yes some cut our grass and weed our yards and build our houses, etc.

The actual absorbing the "immigrants" has little or no impact on our life style. And like most all, not in my back yard situations, our opinions and tolerances are affected accordingly.

Ask the same questions in the border frontier towns and cities.

[ColdNoMore]

Border Residents Remain Skeptical About The Need For An Expanded Wall : NPR

Today, apprehensions are at a 20-year low, the State Department reports there is no credible evidence of terrorists moving across the Southern border, and the more harmful narcotics, like methamphetamines, are smuggled mostly in vehicles through the official ports of entry.

For Manjarrez, expecting a fully sealed border is as unrealistic as expecting a city to eliminate all crime. Building a wall, he said, is not a blanket solution.

"There has to be a right mix, and it's really three things," he said. "It's a mix of that infrastructure, personnel and technology."

One also has to wonder, how the Pentagon/Defense Department just happened to have $1BILLION laying around, with nothing to spend it on...so it can be redirected toward a wall?



Pentagon authorizes $1 bn for Trump'''s border wall

The White House has signaled it will seek to repurpose some $6 billion from military funds, without specifying which Pentagon programs would be slashed.