[Cathy H]

about 300 million guns now in the hands of americans. this is crazy.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by John_W

I agree with Sable, those comments stood out to me as well. Just thinking back, the Vietnam War was about 10 years long and how many died there, 59,000 or so. I think 160,000 is a pretty big number. Also, I believe suicides by gun gets counted as a homicide and there are about 20,000 suicide by gun per year.

What number killed would be acceptable?
Isn't it silly to be debating the numbers?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

about 300 million guns now in the hands of americans. this is crazy.

It is too late for that kind of talk. You can't shut the barn door after the horses are out. If we tried to take away guns the only people who would give them up are the ones who stop for stop signs, plus, THAT is not the issue. I am not a gun person, don't have any, but I can see why people may want to have them after hearing that man talk on National News who had been in the room and had gone to the bathroom just before the shooters came in. He was against guns too, but at the end he said he had worked with Farouk and thought he was a gentle person with the same American dream that he had. He said that he and another man had barricaded themselves in the bathroom and the bullets had pierced the wall and he didn't know it until he saw blood on himself in the mirror. He cried at the end of the interview and said he is thinking about getting a gun.


Religion, any religion is wrong if it kills.

[zcaveman]

Originally Posted by jblum315

The guns were obtained legally according to the FBI

I read that it was by a third party -- not the users of the weapons. SO the third party should be in trouble for lending them the weapons.

Z

[ugotme]

Sorry folks - This isn't a gun problem it is a human problem!

People are not being brought up to respect each other. It is simply "Do whatever you want to do."

If anyone wants to kill they can get guns either legally or illegally.

All the gun laws in the world will not stop some MANIAC!

[billethkid]

And we know full well the killing will not stop even if there were no guns.

In addition to a human problem it is one of enforcement.

Too much concern about whether we might hurt another's feelings if the laws were rigorously enforced as intended!

How fast do you all drive in the school zones?
And the reason is?

ENFORCEMENT.....it does work!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by John_W

I agree with Sable, those comments stood out to me as well. Just thinking back, the Vietnam War was about 10 years long and how many died there, 59,000 or so. I think 160,000 is a pretty big number. Also, I believe suicides by gun gets counted as a homicide and there are about 20,000 suicide by gun per year.

It's 160,000 over the last fifteen years. About 10,000 per year in a country of 330,000 people. Between 2009 and 2013 it was actually less than 9,000 per year. It's around 2/3 of all homicides.

In New Orleans, between 35-55% of homicides are classified as gang-related. In Chicago, an estimated 80% of homicides are gang-related. And in Baltimore, the police commissioner states that 80% of homicides are drug-related. Solve the problem of gang violence, and a huge chunk of the gun homicide and violence problem is solved.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

I read that it was by a third party -- not the users of the weapons. SO the third party should be in trouble for lending them the weapons.

Z

Yup, they will indeed be in trouble. That's what laws do. They punish the people who break them. They don't prevent people who want to break them from doing so.

The two shooters are dead and the people who got the guns for them are in trouble. That doesn't change the fact that fourteen innocent people are dead and 21 wounded. No law would have prevented this.

I think the pipe bombs are probably illegal as well. These shooters are really going to be in trouble for that.

Incidentally, only some of the guns were obtained from a third party. Some were legally owned by the shooters.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

about 300 million guns now in the hands of americans. this is crazy.

Why? If guns, not criminals, were the problem, wouldn't there be many more homicides with that many weapons "in the hands" of Americans...and, by the way, I capitalize the word "Americans" out of respect for my country and its citizens.

[goodtimesintv]

Originally Posted by Cathy H

about 300 million guns now in the hands of americans. this is crazy.

Not nearly as crazy and BLOODTHIRSTY as those who blow arms and legs off defenseless spectators/runners with pressure cookers at a marathon, or who crash-bomb and take down skyscrapers with jetliners full of fuel, or whose primary tactic was to use propane tanks and gasoline cans to blow up Columbine HS, or who use knives to cut off 21 heads of Coptic Christians and one poor clerical worker at her desk at an Oklahoma food packing plant, while her co-worker kept her head on because a company owner had the brains to keep his gun and vest in his office for just such an occasion. But nobody even remembers or mentions THAT.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

Not nearly as crazy and BLOODTHIRSTY as those who blow arms and legs off defenseless spectators/runners with pressure cookers at a marathon, or who crash-bomb and take down skyscrapers with jetliners full of fuel, or whose primary tactic was to use propane tanks and gasoline cans to blow up Columbine HS, or who use knives to cut off 21 heads of Coptic Christians and one poor clerical worker at her desk at an Oklahoma food packing plant, while her co-worker kept her head on because a company owner had the brains to keep his gun and vest in his office for just such an occasion. But nobody even remembers or mentions THAT.

I remember, and you're right. No one seems to acknowledge the thousands of lives saved each year by the armed citizen. Thanks for bringing it up!

[graciegirl]

Not MSNBC, just the evening news.


Did anyone see the short interview with the three clerics from a local mosque where the shooters attended? There were three who responded to questions by a woman reporter sitting cross legged on the floor.


One's response to police coming at night to ask him questions.


The same one's response to a question about radicalization.


Did you see his non verbal reaction and hear what he said?


I did.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

San Bernardino shooting - LA Times

Will have to follow this horrible story. Wait for the facts to come out though before jumping to conclusions. These are becoming way too ordinary. https://www.facebook.com/yarmouthpol...type=3&theater

2 dead suspects identified in CA shooting - FOX5 Vegas - KVVU

There are common sense solutions out there. Let's just see if our leaders keep taking these all-or-nothing stances.

What was the motive for this shooting? It still seems unknown.

[biker1]

When all is said and done, I suspect we will find that they were Muslim extremists. If that is in fact true, then that is your motivation.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

There are common sense solutions out there. Let's just see if our leaders keep taking these all-or-nothing stances.

What was the motive for this shooting? It still seems unknown.

[Boudicca]

Ditto what Gracie said in her last post.