[sail33or]

I will even tell you what the drunk Villager will die of. A 38 hollow point bullet that will blow a giant hole in them. If I can get off a second shot before they fall then there will be two giant holes in them. However I will call 911 so they get treated as fast as possible.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I will even tell you what the drunk Villager will die of. A 38 hollow point bullet that will blow a giant hole in them. If I can get off a second shot before they fall then there will be two giant holes in them. However I will call 911 so they get treated as fast as possible.

Really impressive.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Thousands of civilians were killed by a couple of men wielding box cutters on 9/11. Police officers are not trained to take a knife away from a perp. They are no good to the Dept. if they get wounded or killed. Sure, they are taught self defense, but rather than fist fight a suspect, they will likely resort to a flashlight or baton strike to neutralize the situation. They are allowed to use the force necessary to neutralize the threat. If a person is fist fighting, a flashlight or baton is used. If they have a knife, bat or ax a gun may be used. Equal terms is not an option. Like the man said "don't bring a knife to a gun fight."

Very well said

[Get real]

When I look at the highly publicized violent police incidents, it's obvious why some of them result in death. Whether it's the George Floyd "I can't breathe" situation in Minneapolis; the Michael Brown shooting death in Ferguson, Missouri; the choke-hold death of Eric Garner in New York City; or numerous other law-enforcement actions, one thing is clear: they all resisted arrest. They might all be alive today if they had simply obeyed the lawful orders of the police. That's what decent people do when confronted by those who represent the system of laws by which civilized people live. We have many "rights" in this constitutional republic, but one of them is not the right to disobey the law, or those entrusted to enforce it.
During my 20 years as a cop in NYC, violent episodes during arrest situations were probably as common as they are today. The difference is, we didn't have the internet, iPhones, and social media to broadcast every unsavory moment dealing with civilian-police encounters. Now that everyone has a camera, we have millions of wannabe producers, directors, and editors, all of whom have opportunities to become instantly famous by virtue of selected video clips that can distort the "news" as cleverly as the N.Y. Times distorts stories about President Trump. What the Times editors write is the slant they want you to read. Similarly, what you view on those videos is often the slant the videographer wants you to see.
Inasmuch as there seems to be no limit to what can be posted on social media, and no penalties for distortions that incite people to riot, we have entered a phase in our history in which the potential for violent insurrection has been placed in the hands of the most malevolent purveyors of hatred for our country and for those who have a natural disdain for authority. Being an active cop for two decades provided me with an education about people that few "civilians" would understand. I learned that people intuitively understand the need for a system of laws, as well as the need for officers entrusted to enforce them. Yet, intuitive, or not, people don't like getting arrested.
During a serious criminal incident involving an apprehension and arrest, the offender often becomes a violent adversary with one goal: do anything necessary to get away. He may be on probation for another crime, meaning that a new arrest may result in several years' incarceration.
Think about the position of the cop when he stops a man for questioning under suspicious circumstances. The man may be wanted for murder, robbery, rape, or any number of other felonies that would put him in a cell for long time. With that in mind, he might be desperate enough to use a weapon on the cop to get away. Up to that point, the cop hasn't determined the potential menace he's facing, since he's only doing a preliminary investigation. In this scenario, the offender has an advantage on the cop because he knows what he's going to do if the handcuffs come out. Faced with losing years of his life in prison, the felon is not likely to be taken easily.
The following is often the way the situation unfolds. The cop determines he has enough evidence to effect an arrest and informs the offender of the charges. "Hey, man, I didn't do anything, and you're not taking me!" the guy says. In this instance, the cop has no other options. He's facing a man who broke the law, and it's his job to bring the guy in, period. He can't walk away. He can't tell the guy he's forgiven. He can't call his superior and ask for instructions. He must do what he was trained to do — otherwise, turn in the badge and gun.
Okay, now comes the part about getting cuffs on the guy and putting him in the patrol car. Please trust me on this: even with a partner helping you, it's very difficult and dangerous to take someone who doesn't want to go. A 110-pound woman can put up a ferocious battle to keep you from manacling her wrists together and dragging her into the car. Now imagine a 6'3", 220-pound, muscular antagonist who defies your lawful order to put his hands behind his back. The moment he refuses, the justice system is being tested. Either we enforce our laws or we turn the country over to barbarians.
This brings me to the reason for the title of this column. Cops are just people who go to work at a job and look forward to returning home to their families. They know that the work is dangerous, so their adrenal glands are on high alert during physical confrontations. Being human, they may get scared, but they must respond when a crime occurs and the offender is within their grasp. Deadly force is always the last resort. Still, if they get scared enough, they will do what it takes to ensure that they go home to family that night. Hence, when deadly force is used, it's not because the cop is brutal; it's because he was trying to do his job against an offender who left him no choice.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I will even tell you what the drunk Villager will die of. A 38 hollow point bullet that will blow a giant hole in them. If I can get off a second shot before they fall then there will be two giant holes in them. However I will call 911 so they get treated as fast as possible.

Same here in my house. I don't care why he's there. If he is there, he is gone!
I always keep my doors locked.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And if a drunk Villager mistakes your house for their house and comes in an open door - then what? - suddenly your "one size fits all" aggressive gun philosophy falls apart. And YOU are going to jail. Your quick, decisive action backfires! Be careful what your trigger finger wishes for.

You leave your door open? I don't, so if anyone forces their way into my home I sincerely hope they are right with their maker.
My only hesitation will be which weapon to use and if I use it, will it make more mess to clean up or less and which one will be the most effective. Decision, decisions.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I will even tell you what the drunk Villager will die of. A 38 hollow point bullet that will blow a giant hole in them. If I can get off a second shot before they fall then there will be two giant holes in them. However I will call 911 so they get treated as fast as possible.

Nice final humanitarian gesture. Will you also give them last rites? That would be SO nice of you.

[davem4616]

so the latest person shot by police was someone outside Vancouver, WA....early reports are that he ran from the police while they were investigating an incident, they went after him, he turned on them and reportedly fired his pistol at three police officers

hello...so how do you think this is going to turn out...the number one objective of any police officer is to be alive at the end of their shift so they can go home to their family

so now the city is automatically dealing with demonstrations and destruction of property

Why aren't the leaders in the black community and the parents educating these young men to not commit crimes and the danger of giving the police any reason to draw their fire arms if they are seen as potential suspects / being sought for comments

this is not that difficult of a concept to comprehend

I'm not a racist....I had this very conversation with my kids....respect the police, do what they ask and you'll get a fair shake

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by davem4616

so the latest person shot by police was someone outside Vancouver, WA....early reports are that he ran from the police while they were investigating an incident, they went after him, he turned on them and reportedly fired his pistol at three police officers

hello...so how do you think this is going to turn out...the number one objective of any police officer is to be alive at the end of their shift so they can go home to their family

so now the city is automatically dealing with demonstrations and destruction of property

Why aren't the leaders in the black community and the parents educating these young men to not commit crimes and the danger of giving the police any reason to draw their fire arms if they are seen as potential suspects / being sought for comments

this is not that difficult of a concept to comprehend

I'm not a racist....I had this very conversation with my kids....respect the police, do what they ask and you'll get a fair shake

It DID sound a little on the racist side. White criminals run away from the Police also.

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It DID sound a little on the racist side. White criminals run away from the Police also.

I was talking about one specific incident that just occurred and sparked yet another demonstration with burning and chaos.....odd that you read it as my being racist and played the race card

So I will ask the question.....do you honestly not believe that the black community leaders and the parents of these youngsters have no obligation to step up and play an active role in helping to educate young people on how to prevent this from happening time and time again?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That was VERY well written and it was interesting and convincing. So Kudos for that. However,........I find it a little off-putting - the extreme vented hatred of LIBERAL. It is as if LIBERALS are thought of by many Police Officers as 2nd class citizens. I just wonder, "would all LIBERAL haters prefer to live in a fascist country?" Would most Police Officers want to ticket a person with an Elizabeth Warren bumper sticker much more than one with a GOP sticker? And how did the NY Times become SO HATED? The Villages paper is pretty dull and stupid but, I do not HATE on it! A Police Officer is supposed to bring peace and harmony to a situation. Hence the title PEACE officer.

How could a PEACE Officer go to work and put on a Badge of peace every day, while hating 50% of all the people that they encounter during their day? I doubt that most criminals are liberals. I would REALLY like to know from ALL the Police Officers on this forum - how many hate LIBERALS and how did that come about? Liberals are not communists. Does hatred of liberals, socialists, and communists drive an individual toward Fascism? Are a lot of Police Officers REALLY closet Fascists? I'd like to know those answers.

I do not hate the NY times but have a large dislike for it.

I find it very slanted and their opinions are not just in the editorial pages but all over the paper.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by HoosierPa

People need to re-Train their disrespectful kids. Problem solved

S#%t, that’ll never happen. Remember, most of the time when a black kid is shot and killed by the Police, his mom (rarely is there a dad present) is on TV crying about “how good a boy he was and never did anything wrong” or “he was just running with the wrong crowd”.

Remember Michael Brown and Ferguson, MO and how his mother went on and on about how he was a “gentle giant”? Yeah, right.....

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I was talking about one specific incident that just occurred and sparked yet another demonstration with burning and chaos.....odd that you read it as my being racist and played the race card

So I will ask the question.....do you honestly not believe that the black community leaders and the parents of these youngsters have no obligation to step up and play an active role in helping to educate young people on how to prevent this from happening time and time again?

If the white man had Jim Crow laws forced on him, then they would be the ones living in poverty and ghettos. They would be the ones getting killed by bad Police Officers. Whites would be afraid of the police. The whites would be the ones shoplifting and having juvenile records. And not being able to land a good job. The whites would be the janitors and the Blacks and browns would be calling the whites lazy. After a 200 year history of being put down by society, the white race would be unambitious, not own homes, and have bad health outcomes.

As a matter of History, white Europeans settled North America. They were technologically ahead of the Native Americans. So, they pushed them out. If the Spanish had settled N. America 1st, then they would be at the top of US society. All the whites in the US reap the benefits of this History. They are NOT special. Just lucky.

[Going My Way]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

So, nothing about the post answers any of the questions that I hoped would have been answered in a serious manner. I guess that was too much to hope for?

Actually by you disliking his response just shows you fall into that group...

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