[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If the white man had Jim Crow laws forced on him, then they would be the ones living in poverty and ghettos. They would be the ones getting killed by bad Police Officers. Whites would be afraid of the police. The whites would be the ones shoplifting and having juvenile records. And not being able to land a good job. The whites would be the janitors and the Blacks and browns would be calling the whites lazy. After a 200 year history of being put down by society, the white race would be unambitious, not own homes, and have bad health outcomes.

As a matter of History, white Europeans settled North America. They were technologically ahead of the Native Americans. So, they pushed them out. If the Spanish had settled N. America 1st, then they would be at the top of US society. All the whites in the US reap the benefits of this History. They are NOT special. Just lucky.

How do you account for all the minority groups that came here within the last 100 years were discriminated against and have managed to be successful?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If the white man had Jim Crow laws forced on him, then they would be the ones living in poverty and ghettos. They would be the ones getting killed by bad Police Officers. Whites would be afraid of the police. The whites would be the ones shoplifting and having juvenile records. And not being able to land a good job. The whites would be the janitors and the Blacks and browns would be calling the whites lazy. After a 200 year history of being put down by society, the white race would be unambitious, not own homes, and have bad health outcomes.

As a matter of History, white Europeans settled North America. They were technologically ahead of the Native Americans. So, they pushed them out. If the Spanish had settled N. America 1st, then they would be at the top of US society. All the whites in the US reap the benefits of this History. They are NOT special. Just lucky.

By your own words whites are technologically superior, not LUCKY

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If the white man had Jim Crow laws forced on him, then they would be the ones living in poverty and ghettos. They would be the ones getting killed by bad Police Officers. Whites would be afraid of the police. The whites would be the ones shoplifting and having juvenile records. And not being able to land a good job. The whites would be the janitors and the Blacks and browns would be calling the whites lazy. After a 200 year history of being put down by society, the white race would be unambitious, not own homes, and have bad health outcomes.

As a matter of History, white Europeans settled North America. They were technologically ahead of the Native Americans. So, they pushed them out. If the Spanish had settled N. America 1st, then they would be at the top of US society. All the whites in the US reap the benefits of this History. They are NOT special. Just lucky.

Contrary to your "theory", South Africa which has been ruled by the black majority since the end of apartheid 30 years ago has been in steady decline with rampant corruption and poverty. Name just one black governed country where you would like to live...even as a black person.

[noslices1]

Maybe the police could use Tranquilizer guns. Shoot the suspect if he won’t cooperate and let him/her wake up, alive, in a jail cell.

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by noslices1

Maybe the police could use Tranquilizer guns. Shoot the suspect if he won’t cooperate and let him/her wake up, alive, in a jail cell.

This option have already been discussed. Have you read the previous posts and counter arguments pertaining to the use of tranquilizers?

[WesMan]

Originally Posted by Get real

When I look at the highly publicized violent police incidents, it's obvious why some of them result in death. Whether it's the George Floyd "I can't breathe" situation in Minneapolis; the Michael Brown shooting death in Ferguson, Missouri; the choke-hold death of Eric Garner in New York City; or numerous other law-enforcement actions, one thing is clear: they all resisted arrest. They might all be alive today if they had simply obeyed the lawful orders of the police. That's what decent people do when confronted by those who represent the system of laws by which civilized people live. We have many "rights" in this constitutional republic, but one of them is not the right to disobey the law, or those entrusted to enforce it.
During my 20 years as a cop in NYC, violent episodes during arrest situations were probably as common as they are today. The difference is, we didn't have the internet, iPhones, and social media to broadcast every unsavory moment dealing with civilian-police encounters. Now that everyone has a camera, we have millions of wannabe producers, directors, and editors, all of whom have opportunities to become instantly famous by virtue of selected video clips that can distort the "news" as cleverly as the N.Y. Times distorts stories about President Trump. What the Times editors write is the slant they want you to read. Similarly, what you view on those videos is often the slant the videographer wants you to see.
Inasmuch as there seems to be no limit to what can be posted on social media, and no penalties for distortions that incite people to riot, we have entered a phase in our history in which the potential for violent insurrection has been placed in the hands of the most malevolent purveyors of hatred for our country and for those who have a natural disdain for authority. Being an active cop for two decades provided me with an education about people that few "civilians" would understand. I learned that people intuitively understand the need for a system of laws, as well as the need for officers entrusted to enforce them. Yet, intuitive, or not, people don't like getting arrested.
During a serious criminal incident involving an apprehension and arrest, the offender often becomes a violent adversary with one goal: do anything necessary to get away. He may be on probation for another crime, meaning that a new arrest may result in several years' incarceration.
Think about the position of the cop when he stops a man for questioning under suspicious circumstances. The man may be wanted for murder, robbery, rape, or any number of other felonies that would put him in a cell for long time. With that in mind, he might be desperate enough to use a weapon on the cop to get away. Up to that point, the cop hasn't determined the potential menace he's facing, since he's only doing a preliminary investigation. In this scenario, the offender has an advantage on the cop because he knows what he's going to do if the handcuffs come out. Faced with losing years of his life in prison, the felon is not likely to be taken easily.
The following is often the way the situation unfolds. The cop determines he has enough evidence to effect an arrest and informs the offender of the charges. "Hey, man, I didn't do anything, and you're not taking me!" the guy says. In this instance, the cop has no other options. He's facing a man who broke the law, and it's his job to bring the guy in, period. He can't walk away. He can't tell the guy he's forgiven. He can't call his superior and ask for instructions. He must do what he was trained to do — otherwise, turn in the badge and gun.
Okay, now comes the part about getting cuffs on the guy and putting him in the patrol car. Please trust me on this: even with a partner helping you, it's very difficult and dangerous to take someone who doesn't want to go. A 110-pound woman can put up a ferocious battle to keep you from manacling her wrists together and dragging her into the car. Now imagine a 6'3", 220-pound, muscular antagonist who defies your lawful order to put his hands behind his back. The moment he refuses, the justice system is being tested. Either we enforce our laws or we turn the country over to barbarians.
This brings me to the reason for the title of this column. Cops are just people who go to work at a job and look forward to returning home to their families. They know that the work is dangerous, so their adrenal glands are on high alert during physical confrontations. Being human, they may get scared, but they must respond when a crime occurs and the offender is within their grasp. Deadly force is always the last resort. Still, if they get scared enough, they will do what it takes to ensure that they go home to family that night. Hence, when deadly force is used, it's not because the cop is brutal; it's because he was trying to do his job against an offender who left him no choice.

Thank you for your service!!! Blue lives matter!!!!!!!!!!

[WesMan]

Originally Posted by sail33or

I will even tell you what the drunk Villager will die of. A 38 hollow point bullet that will blow a giant hole in them. If I can get off a second shot before they fall then there will be two giant holes in them. However I will call 911 so they get treated as fast as possible.

crazy talk!!!!

[Neils]

Originally Posted by 8notes

Why don't police carry tasers? They are a weapon, can be used at a distance, like pepper spray, and are less lethal than guns. Through the end of September 2020, over 700 people have been shot and killed by police, an increasing trend.

Remember the old saying - Never a good idea to take a taser to a gun fight. Lol

[Neils]

Originally Posted by amdubuc

How many big cities have a death count over 700 from people killing people?

Starting with Chicago the home of the strictest gun control laws in the country.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Neils

Starting with Chicago the home of the strictest gun control laws in the country.

Easy, just drive outside the city and buy your gun. Google is your friend.....

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Easy, just drive outside the city and buy your gun. Google is your friend.....

So, what you seem to be confirming is that gun control laws are nearly worthless and people find ways of getting around them.

Originally Posted by sail33or View Post
I will even tell you what the drunk Villager will die of. A 38 hollow point bullet that will blow a giant hole in them. If I can get off a second shot before they fall then there will be two giant holes in them. However I will call 911 so they get treated as fast as possible.

Originally Posted by WesMan

crazy talk!!!!

yes 9mm is preferable

Originally Posted by Neils View Post
Starting with Chicago the home of the strictest gun control laws in the country.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Easy, just drive outside the city and buy your gun. Google is your friend.....

Or buy one illegally right inside the city. You do know criminals don’t obey the law?

[Justus]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

If the white man had Jim Crow laws forced on him, then they would be the ones living in poverty and ghettos. They would be the ones getting killed by bad Police Officers. Whites would be afraid of the police. The whites would be the ones shoplifting and having juvenile records. And not being able to land a good job. The whites would be the janitors and the Blacks and browns would be calling the whites lazy. After a 200 year history of being put down by society, the white race would be unambitious, not own homes, and have bad health outcomes.

As a matter of History, white Europeans settled North America. They were technologically ahead of the Native Americans. So, they pushed them out. If the Spanish had settled N. America 1st, then they would be at the top of US society. All the whites in the US reap the benefits of this History. They are NOT special. Just lucky.

It occurs that, in openly sharing your low opinion of Law Enforcement and Whites in general, it seems you assume all LEOs are white. Do you have the same opinion of Law Enforcement Officers who are Black, Latino, and of other ethnicities, many of whom have had to kill felons in the line of duty? Just asking...

[New Englander]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I do not hate the NY times but have a large dislike for it.

I find it very slanted and their opinions are not just in the editorial pages but all over the paper.

They lie a lot too.