[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by hypart

It's a free country people.

Is it? Not so sure these days.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by hypart

There is no constitutional right for you to sell pork in California. California has a right (just like any other state) to pass the laws they see fit for their state. If you don't want to comply, then you don't sell to California residents. Not that complicated.

As far as enforcement, California can simply observe through video cameras.

Again, if you don't like it, then don't do business with California.

It's a free country people.

Video cameras?

Set up by whom?

To me, this sounds like an interstate commerce issue... Not a states issue...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by dougjb

While some posters here are readily criticizing California, it might be best to have a small bite of humble pie.

Before the Florida Constitution was revised, voters in the state by popular vote amended the Florida Constitution (not just a law..but part of our Constitution) to protect pregnant pigs! The amendment occured in the last 30 years or so!

Perhaps one should strongly consider the old adage that people in glass houses should not throw stones!

How did that affect other states?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Wondering

Too bad for pork producers. I have no sympathy for an industry that hires child/under age workers and didn't protect their employees during the pandemic. The heart associations says you shouldn't be eating pork anyway - not healthy for your heart!

Nice red herring...

To your last point:

"Although many people think that beef is healthier than pork, we must look at this conclusion from a few perspectives. When looking at the base nutrients such as protein and fats they are nearly identical. If we compare fatty cuts of pork and fatty cuts of beef, the pork has larger amounts of healthy fats."

"Pork is typically lowest in calories and saturated fat when compared with other red meats"

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

States rights!!!!!

Interstate Commerce!

[Stu from NYC]

Who knew the pig union had so much power.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Who knew the pig union had so much power.

Well, when your (Golden) state is populated by 20 million pigs, they vote for whatever outlandish rules the head pigs want.

[Number 10 GI]

There are many pig farmers who sell the small pigs weaned off the mother to other pig farmers. These farmers then raise the pigs to market weight and sell them to intermediaries that then sell the pigs to a slaughterhouse. Much of the slaughterhouse meat is then sold to a meat processor where it is then cut into ribs, chops, roasts, etc. How is anyone going to determine how or where the sow was housed when she had her litter? Stupid laws passed by ignorant politicians goaded on by ignorant people that have no idea how the law can be administered.
One poster said cameras could be used to monitor how much room the sow had in the farrowing stall. I can see it now, an animal justice warrior goes to an Iowa farmer and tells him he is going to install a camera in the farrowing barn to insure compliance with a California law. I don't see a happy ending for the animal justice warrior.

[Villages Kahuna]

Have you ever been on a pig farm? Raising pigs is just as scientific these days as building cars. Nothing is left to chance. It wouldn’t surprise me if the pig farmers “ran the numbers” and determined that the capital expenditures necessary to satisfy the California law wouldn’t be justified. So they might simply abandon sales to California.

Yes, I know that California is the most populous state in US with 39 million residents. But if the cost of satisfying the new law isn’t justified, it simply won’t be done.

Besides, the law will only indirectly affect pig farmers. When pig raisers ship pigs they’re sold to a pork processor, who slaughters, butchers and wraps the pork. That finished product is then sold to a distributor who sells and delivers it to the grocery stores and meat markets. Enforcing that law against individual meat retailers would take an army of state investigators to track pork from a grocery back to an individual pig farm in order to make a case that would hold up in court.

Besides, what a stupid idea.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Caymus

Do the pigs "feel" pain from not being able to turn around? Are they as sentient as Porky Pig or Arnold Ziffel?

Pigs are probably as smart as most dogs. They just aren't as friendly or have the personality of dogs.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Supreme Court rejects challenge to California pork law mandating more space for pigs

If you read the court statement by Gorsuch, essentially, the supreme court said that agriculture is a state's right issue, and that pig farming doesn't rise the level needing US supreme court attention.

True, wrong court, California Supreme court rules California for agriculture.

Big nothing, the free range chicken activists moved on to free range pigs.

I would have thought that the members of the TV barristers gang would have seen this as the pig farmers' cooperative grand standing as well.

And sorry for piling on, Verm is correct. . .

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

States rights!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

Title of the thread:

Supreme Court upholds California law that will probably increase the price of pork

I'm not an economist, but I would suggest that if pig farmers refuse to jump through stupid California hoops, the price of pork in the other 49 states will drop due to increased supply. Economics 101.

And in California, the price of tofu and kale will rise

[TeresaE]

The big pork producers, like Tyson, have said they can comply with the California requirements. This will mean the smaller pork producers, who don’t have the financial means (and it will cost significantly more) Plus those sow enclosures are design to protect the piglets. To comply will cost too much and they will be squeezed out of the market. Yes, our pork prices will go up.

[TeresaE]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Just how is the California state government going to insure that pork producers in Arkansas or Iowa are following their law? Do any of these mental midgets realize how many farms raise hogs across this country? How about pork imported from another country? There is no way they have enough inspectors to inspect every place hogs are raised to guarantee compliance. An inspector from California would have no authority to access a pork producer in any state outside of California. Just mental pablum for gullible minds.

Meat shipped across state lines in the United States must be done in the presences of a USDA Inspector. Animals are inspected before slaughter and the meat after. This would mean just another layer of verification and cost. It can be done by the big companies.
Plus the precedent this sets is frightening. It’s actually a nightmare.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Title of the thread:

Supreme Court upholds California law that will probably increase the price of pork

I'm not an economist, but I would suggest that if pig farmers refuse to jump through stupid California hoops, the price of pork in the other 49 states will drop due to increased supply. Economics 101.

And in California, the price of tofu and kale will rise

If pig farmers pull out of California, you may be right. However, I think most companies will try to do business in the largest state in the country. So I think pork prices will increase.

California is slightly smaller than Florida and NY combined.

California — 40,223,504
Texas — 30,345,487
Florida — 22,359,251
New York — 20,448,194
Pennsylvania — 13,092,796