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DianeM 03-14-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by quirky3 (Post 845321)
Exactly! After all, English is NOT this land's native language.

The native language is American Indian but since we screwed them royally, the language of this country is English.

DianeM 03-14-2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 845348)
Frankly, I'm offended by the idea that my tax dollars are used to pay for translators for people who come to this country and refuse to learn our language. It's also obscene that most if not all of our government forms are printed in multiple languages. I don't believe that there is any other country in
the world that does this unless they have multiple native languages.

I was afraid to say it but I give you kudos for saying what I was thinking. If I moved anywhere else I would be forced to assimilate into that society by speaking that language. No one would be printing forms in English to accommodate me. Nor would they have translators to assist me.

DianeM 03-14-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 845355)
I don't feel it is an intolerance of foreign people. For me it is the belief that our official language is English. When I call customer service I should expect to speak with a person who speaks English fluently. It makes no more sense than hiring a plumber to be a nurse. Their job is to COMMUNICATE and if they cannot be understood, they are NOT communicating; therefore they are not successfully performing their job function.

:agree:

DianeM 03-14-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 845358)
The United States has NO official language. Some states have adopted that stance.

Our government says we must provide access to those who do not speak english

And how stupid are we for providing it ???? No wonder the world laughs at us now.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-14-2014 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 845358)
The United States has NO official language. Some states have adopted that stance.

Our government says we must provide access to those who do not speak english

That's true from a legal standpoint, but can anyone deny that English has been the native language of this country for the past 250 years?

Juts because a bunch of cowards in Washington decide not to make it "official" doesn't mean that we don't have a native language. We have a native language and I think that everyone understand that and knows what it is.

When our parents, grand parents or great grand parents came here from other countries they made it a point to learn our national language. They understood that to survive here they would need to learn to speak English.

For some reason, (maybe to get more votes) congress decided that it would be better if we all speak different languages and that the government would provide all of it's forms in every language in the world and that they government would provide translators for every person in this country that doesn't want to learn English. Gives the government a lot of power doesn't it?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-14-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 845425)
The native language is American Indian but since we screwed them royally, the language of this country is English.

This was not a country prior to the English settling here. It was open land occupied by tribes. The Native Americans had no common language or system of government.

The English came and established a country on this land.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 03-14-2014 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by quirky3 (Post 845287)
Ancestors of US citizens had accents. ;)

Yes, they certainly did. But, would you have given them jobs involving communicating with English speaking people on the telephone.

My grandfather came here from Italy and had a very thick Italian accent. It would have been completely foolhardy to put him on a phone to do customer service for a company in this country.

Like I said, would you hire 5'4" 140 pound people to be on the offensive line of your NFL team? That not being prejudice or bigoted against small people. It's simply recognizing that they are not capable of doing a particular job. There are plenty of jobs that small people can do but playing on the offensive line is not one of them. There are plenty of good jobs for people that don't have good English skills, but communicating by phone in English with English speaking people is not one of them.

Some things are just too obvious and simple.

karostay 03-14-2014 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 845262)
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You got that right. We are so afraid of being "politically correct" that we're giving it away. Our ancestors must be rolling in their graves.

:bigbow:

Our ancestors stole the land and murdered the Indians
why should they roll in their graves

CFrance 03-14-2014 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 845348)
Frankly, I'm offended by the idea that my tax dollars are used to pay for translators for people who come to this country and refuse to learn our language. It's also obscene that most if not all of our government forms are printed in multiple languages. I don't believe that there is any other country in
the world that does this unless they have multiple native languages.

Oh, I disagree. Almost every other country in the developed world teaches their young to speak English from the time they start school. We should not do that for the Hispanics and Asians that proliferate our country? Do you realize how hard it is for an adult to learn a second language? It's an established fact that the young learn a foreign language easily, because they learn it from a different part of the brain. Once you reach adulthood, it is an entirely different and more difficult process.

I don't have a problem at all with my tax dollars going to help immigrants who are not fluent in English to understand our laws and their rights.

DianeM 03-14-2014 06:24 PM

Seriously? We speak English here and anyone who doesn't want to learn is free to leave at any time. Speak as you wish in your Country or your home but do not expect me to learn your language just to communicate with you. Millions have come here and WANTED to fit in with their new neighbors. What happened to that concept?

quirky3 03-14-2014 06:28 PM

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No one is forcing the corporations to outsource their customer service. They make that decision out of greed, at the expense of their customers. More appropriate to direct your angst at the root cause of the issue.

Bucco 03-14-2014 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by quirky3 (Post 845486)
No one is forcing the corporations to outsource their customer service. They make that decision out of greed, at the expense of their customers. More appropriate to direct your angst at the root cause of the issue.

They make these decisions because they have one responsibility and that is to their shareholders to make a profit. That is what their responsibllty is.

If they did not, you would be complaining about your IRA or any investment you have going down the tubes.

You do not mention what you consider the root cause of the problem and that might be interesting to hear.

Wrong to blame corporations who are doing exactly what you, as a stock holder, want them to do.

Calls for tax code revision to allow corporations incentives to stay in this country are always greeted with catcalls.....but that is step one.

But allow us what you think the root cause might be.

quirky3 03-14-2014 06:43 PM

The only problem that bothers me with this thread is the complaints of the original illegal immigrants.

Golfingnut 03-14-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 845491)
They make these decisions because they have one responsibility and that is to their shareholders to make a profit. That is what their responsibllty is.

If they did not, you would be complaining about your IRA or any investment you have going down the tubes.

You do not mention what you consider the root cause of the problem and that might be interesting to hear.

Wrong to blame corporations who are doing exactly what you, as a stock holder, want them to do.

Calls for tax code revision to allow corporations incentives to stay in this country are always greeted with catcalls.....but that is step one.

But allow us what you think the root cause might be.

So confusing, I agree with quirky and Bucco on this. Where is the compromise. I dislike outsourcing but I also would be upset with poor management of my financial interests. What is the solution? Could living with less profit be done with more jobs done by our neighbors. I don't know.

CFrance 03-14-2014 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 845483)
Seriously? We speak English here and anyone who doesn't want to learn is free to leave at any time. Speak as you wish in your Country or your home but do not expect me to learn your language just to communicate with you. Millions have come here and WANTED to fit in with their new neighbors. What happened to that concept?

Yes, seriously. The times they are a-changing. I invite you to go try to learn a foreign language at your age and see how difficult it is. Then try to fill out a form in that language. Then go try to hire some Americans to go pick your fruit.


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