[LuvNH]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Bingo!

Back in the day, Mom and Dad had a talk with me and my siblings: "don't get into trouble at school and complain to us about it, because if you do you'll be in twice as much trouble at home". And they meant it.

Back then, the behavior "problems" most prevalent in our high school was chewing gum in class, running in the halls, and being late to class. A few girls got in trouble for wearing skirts above the kneecap and/or wearing blue jeans.

How does that stack up to today?

Unfortunately, today's kids (if so inclined) could take you to court for child abuse and probably win.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by LuvNH

Well you certainly managed to twist that around, didn't you. Where did I say that fabulous NH teachers went to teach in NY?I If you had read it correctly, I mentioned programs I had seen on "60 minutes" where educators had gone into the worst classes in NYC. As I recall the educators were black and I have no idea where they came from, certainly not NH.

Either your reading or comprehension skills need a little work.

For the record, my children were educated in Massachusetts and both went to local colleges. Both my sons now live in NH and are very successful.

I am very happy to hear your sons are doing well. The question still stands. Why were these educators from wherever able to teach these NYC students so well, yet they failed to thrive with their regular teachers. I am not trying to trick you. I think it is an important question that would have been addressed in the show you watched. Maybe this time you can communicate with me and leave out any insults?

[Whitley]

Prohibiting Penthouse magazine in the grade school library is not banning books. You can still go and buy it, if you are an adult, at any magazine store. Anyone saying books are banned in FL is not being honest.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Prohibiting Penthouse magazine in the grade school library is not banning books. You can still go and buy it, if you are an adult, at any magazine store. Anyone saying books are banned in FL is not being honest.

After more than 200 books were banned in various school districts across Florida between the summer of 2021 and 2022, districts continued the crackdown, banning 357 books between July and December 2022, according to the nonprofit organization PEN America. The organization reports that Florida had the second-highest number of book-banning incidents in the nation during that period, trailing only Texas.

Here is the list..
Miami Bookstore Owners React to Florida's Whopping Number of Banned Books | Miami New Times

[chicksinger]

When you understand that teachers, once highly respected and paid well, no longer have either. In Denver, we called working in an urban school combat pay. Teachers are on the bottom of the totem pole in the public sector and treated as such by admin, students and parents alike. In those schools, the kids run the asylum.

When I subbed in those schools, I often needed security in the classroom just to maintain peace and my safety. There is no respect whatsoever. I was threatened, bullied, hit on the head with a basketball, tacks on my chairs, cursed at and followed by students and chased to my car sometimes after classes. Teachers were often in fear of having their houses set on fire in one neighborhood and I was warned by one of the male teachers not to be left alone with the "teens" because rape and assault was a real possibility with all those older boys in high school.....and they did come right up to my face towering over me and ask me what I would do about it if they didn't want to go back inside when the bell rang.... I put on the bravado and said I didn't give a crap whether they came in or not, I wasn't going to be here tomorrow, but, they would be...so, I'm going inside now and you can do whatever you want! That was the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life in the schools.

Principals always sided with the students despite the obvious whenever I went for help or tried to use any kind of discipline. Teaching under those circumstances is anything but instructive...you are expected to actually teach and be a psychologist, nurse, quasi-parental figure and do it in such a way that will capture the students attention. All this is demanded and expected for less pay than a McDonald's employee.

The only place teaching can really take place is in an atmosphere of support and respect for the job from the parents, admin and students at the very least. There needs to be consequences when they don't. That's why IF anyone I know thinks of going into teaching today in the public school system, I recommend the private sector. My husband finally told me that if anyone touched me or hurt me he'd wind up in jail and I felt the same way...if anyone touched me, don't care if they're "kids"...I will defend myself and no doubt, wind up in jail as well. It was a battlefield and we decided it was time to quit the classroom, so I did.

[kenoc7]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

It depends on the subject matter but in my experience, the vast majority of my grade school and high school teachers did not change lectures every year.

If you are teaching high school algebra or geometry or biology or chemistry do you change the lectures every year? Do the facts change every year?

Same with grade school reading, grammar, arithmetic, US history (you might want to add significant events from past year).

I can’t think of a subject that I took in school where the teachers couldn’t use the same lectures year after year.

I was a HS teacher for 23 years and a district subject coordinator for ten years and I don't understand al the talk about lectures - and teachers never changing them. I never gave a lecture in any of my classes and asa. coordinator I never saw teachers in my district give lectures. We always planned our lessons to engage students in learning so there was a minimum of teacher talk.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

After more than 200 books were banned in various school districts across Florida between the summer of 2021 and 2022, districts continued the crackdown, banning 357 books between July and December 2022, according to the nonprofit organization PEN America. The organization reports that Florida had the second-highest number of book-banning incidents in the nation during that period, trailing only Texas.

Here is the list..
Miami Bookstore Owners React to Florida's Whopping Number of Banned Books | Miami New Times

There are no, zero, zippo books banned statewide in the state of Florida. There are books that are pulled from schools, or restricted to High School. I am a bit surprised that anyone would feel this is wrong. July 1, a law went in effect that allows parents to petition their school board to review books they find inappropriate for children of a certain age. That is called being a concerned, involved parent. Many on this site have criticized parents for not being involved in their child's education. Can not have it both ways.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by chicksinger

When you understand that teachers, once highly respected and paid well, no longer have either. In Denver, we called working in an urban school combat pay. Teachers are on the bottom of the totem pole in the public sector and treated as such by admin, students and parents alike. In those schools, the kids run the asylum.

When I subbed in those schools, I often needed security in the classroom just to maintain peace and my safety. There is no respect whatsoever. I was threatened, bullied, hit on the head with a basketball, tacks on my chairs, cursed at and followed by students and chased to my car sometimes after classes. Teachers were often in fear of having their houses set on fire in one neighborhood and I was warned by one of the male teachers not to be left alone with the "teens" because rape and assault was a real possibility with all those older boys in high school.....and they did come right up to my face towering over me and ask me what I would do about it if they didn't want to go back inside when the bell rang.... I put on the bravado and said I didn't give a crap whether they came in or not, I wasn't going to be here tomorrow, but, they would be...so, I'm going inside now and you can do whatever you want! That was the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life in the schools.

Principals always sided with the students despite the obvious whenever I went for help or tried to use any kind of discipline. Teaching under those circumstances is anything but instructive...you are expected to actually teach and be a psychologist, nurse, quasi-parental figure and do it in such a way that will capture the students attention. All this is demanded and expected for less pay than a McDonald's employee.

The only place teaching can really take place is in an atmosphere of support and respect for the job from the parents, admin and students at the very least. There needs to be consequences when they don't. That's why IF anyone I know thinks of going into teaching today in the public school system, I recommend the private sector. My husband finally told me that if anyone touched me or hurt me he'd wind up in jail and I felt the same way...if anyone touched me, don't care if they're "kids"...I will defend myself and no doubt, wind up in jail as well. It was a battlefield and we decided it was time to quit the classroom, so I did.

What happened over the years that pushed our schools to this dangerous state we see today as described by you? Why are classes so much more dangerous today? What has changed?

[Marsha11]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I do not understand the leeway in "What should be taught". in history, teach history. Algebra, Algebra. Can you help me understand what you mean with parents controlling what should be taught? Thanks

There's more regarding CRT being taught by all except , privat schools which is very good. The President of union is really way out there. Even travels the world to really bad schools as well. Teachers use this junk, parents say no, secret service watches parents at talks. You can tell how bad this is. Keep in m8nd in terms is that income to a teacher really is in school close to only 7 months a year. In the old days, many enjoyed their summer

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

After more than 200 books were banned in various school districts across Florida between the summer of 2021 and 2022, districts continued the crackdown, banning 357 books between July and December 2022, according to the nonprofit organization PEN America. The organization reports that Florida had the second-highest number of book-banning incidents in the nation during that period, trailing only Texas.

Here is the list..
Miami Bookstore Owners React to Florida's Whopping Number of Banned Books | Miami New Times

Why would an adult want children between 5 and 13 years old to have access to sexually explicit books? Hmmmm? I wonder?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Whitley

What happened over the years that pushed our schools to this dangerous state we see today as described by you? Why are classes so much more dangerous today? What has changed?

All to often parents are not engaged in their kids education.

We got to know our kids teachers and if we heard anything that our child physically or in any way abused our kids they would not be at all happy with what we would do to correct their behavior. Luckily we were hardly tested.

Only thing I can think of is once upon a time a teacher said our son missed a few homework assignments. That did not happen again.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Why would an adult want children between 5 and 13 years old to have access to sexually explicit books? Hmmmm? I wonder?

This is a list of books that were asked to be banned in Polk County. I don't know if any were actually banned.

I have not read any of them but I did a quick review of The Kite Runner. There is a homosexual rape scene. I don't think you would want it in grade school.

"Two Boys Kissing" by David Levithan
"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini
"Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close" by Jonathan Safran Foer
"Thirteen Reasons Why" by Jay Asher
"The Vincent Boys" by Abbi Glines
"It’s Perfectly Normal" by Robie Harris and illustrated by Michael Emberley
"Real Live Boyfriends" by E. Lockhart
"George" by Alex Gino
"I am Jazz" by Jessica Herthel and Jazz Jennings
"Drama" by Raina Telgemeier
"Nineteen Minutes" by Jodi Picoult
"More Happy Than Not" by Adam Silvera
"Beloved" by Toni Morrison
"The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison
"Tricks" by Ellen Hopkins
"Almost Perfect" by Brian Katcher

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

This is a list of books that were asked to be banned in Polk County. I don't know if any were actually banned.

I have not read any of them but I did a quick review of The Kite Runner. There is a homosexual rape scene. I don't think you would want it in grade school.

"Two Boys Kissing" by David Levithan
"The Kite Runner" by Khaled Hosseini
"Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close" by Jonathan Safran Foer
"Thirteen Reasons Why" by Jay Asher
"The Vincent Boys" by Abbi Glines
"It’s Perfectly Normal" by Robie Harris and illustrated by Michael Emberley
"Real Live Boyfriends" by E. Lockhart
"George" by Alex Gino
"I am Jazz" by Jessica Herthel and Jazz Jennings
"Drama" by Raina Telgemeier
"Nineteen Minutes" by Jodi Picoult
"More Happy Than Not" by Adam Silvera
"Beloved" by Toni Morrison
"The Bluest Eye" by Toni Morrison
"Tricks" by Ellen Hopkins
"Almost Perfect" by Brian Katcher

I too googled and the first one I checked was a book called Damsel. It has graphic depictions of rape, animal abuse, pedophilia, animal rape (?), beastiality, Profane description of the human body. What kind of a person would want this to be on bookshelves in the school library.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Whitley

What kind of a person would want this to be on bookshelves in the school library.

It will be interesting to see who will defend the book!

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I too googled and the first one I checked was a book called Damsel. It has graphic depictions of rape, animal abuse, pedophilia, animal rape (?), beastiality, Profane description of the human body. What kind of a person would want this to be on bookshelves in the school library.

Or any library.