[banjobob]

I read your link, seems 177 is a very small sample they projected that result to millions who had been infected. Seems sketchy research to me.

[RICH1]

The Chinese are well aware of this, they have been studying this in Wuhan for years! They also are loving how most governments manage the Pandemic!

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Unless covid affected you or family, who cares? Why do you need percentages? Do you need percentages of the after effects of pneumonia, cancer, etc Covid is here! Live your life and move on. Deal with it when you get it

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe.

Here is the byline from the article cited:

By Dennis Thompson
HealthDay Reporter

Hardly a bastion of medical science, even though the article also appeared on WebMD.

Also note the so called symptoms are fatigue and brain fog
I just have to wonder how many developed "fatigue and brain fog" when asked to give up their "pay for staying home" and return to work.

Yes, I know that is somewhat cynical, but I can't imagine it doesn't happen.

Then again, it may be 100% correct----we just don't know, and therefore the subject will be a target for extreme ideas.

Really…… obviously you don’t know what you’re talking about. This is really I know because my daughter has been suffering with this since January (yes she works) been to the doctors countless time to get IV bags and B12 shots. This has really taken a toll on her.
So shhhh about what you don’t know.

[Eg_cruz]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And again, maybe

There is no way to quantify fatigue, brain fog and loss of taste/smell. It is 100% subjective. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we don't know

It's sort of like the guy in a car accident complaining of back pain and can't work. His x-rays, CT and MRI are all negative, the neurologist finds nothing objective, neither does the orthopedist. So now he goes to 2 places----a chiropractor (yuk) and Dan Newlin while he applies for SSDI. He goes to court for disability with testimony from the chiropractor (again yuk), conveniently not presenting the x rays, CTs, MRIs, nor the opinion of the orthopedist or neurologist as evidence. The judge then grants him disability, and the rest of us are supporting him for the rest of his life (or until age 65).
The last one of these I got drawn into I later saw working on the roof of a building hauling 75 pound bundles of shingles up a 20 foot ladder.

So the moral of the story is we still don't know. But from experience, I always look at these cases where there is substantial secondary gain with a jaded eye.

For someone who does not know you sure have a lot of opinions on the subject.
Why speak of someone you have no first hand experience with.
I have 3 family members (yes they all work) who have long-term effects from the virus.
Guess this is what happens when a virus is made in a lab.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Why speak of someone you have no first hand experience with.
I have 3 family members (yes they all work) who have long-term effects from the virus.
.

My neighbor is still experiencing effects from the virus.
Not sure of the definition of "long-term"...............but he is coming up on a year.
He was the picture of good health & fitness.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

Really…… obviously you don’t know what you’re talking about. This is really I know because my daughter has been suffering with this since January (yes she works) been to the doctors countless time to get IV bags and B12 shots. This has really taken a toll on her.
So shhhh about what you don’t know.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

For someone who does not know you sure have a lot of opinions on the subject.
Why speak of someone you have no first hand experience with.
I have 3 family members (yes they all work) who have long-term effects from the virus.
Guess this is what happens when a virus is made in a lab.

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

[scottiesrgreat@gmail.com]

Please close this thread. I truly feel sorry for you all that just can’t seem move on - you will always find some scary article somewhere on the internet - that you will use to perpetuate your need to keep people in some kind of fear and despair ….. I hope history will be able to shed light on what causes people like you to have this desire to get some sort of personal gratification out of fear-mongering. We have always had threats to deal with and we will have threats in the future to address and conquer ….. get over it!!!! This is life. We live and we die (yes - we die - there is no way to avoid it). I think living in fear with a huge dark cloud over your head and forcing your dark cloud on others is so much more detrimental to society than Covid ever was…..

I pray people get up this morning and be thankful for what they have and what they have had….. focus on the beauty that we can enjoy each day - cherish the memories of days that have passed.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Washington State legalized marijuana many years ago. It's the pot.......

[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

So...What do you think of this study from Japan. Granted it covers the vaccine... however...would this apply also to the long term issues with the virus with sleen, liver, etc retaining the spike protein? https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

So...What do you think of this study from Japan. Granted it covers the vaccine... however...would this apply also to the long term issues with the virus with sleen, liver, etc retaining the spike protein? https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

No. It's a description of the pharmacokinetics of the vaccine (AVD, metabolism, excretion, tissue penetration, etc.). It does not address anything clinical at all. Looks like it might be information that Pfizer pharmacists and molecular geneticists put out as part of their bid to get full FDA approval (although I doubt the radioimmunoflourescence study in 6 rats will pass the committee

[Altavia]

Just sharing another pre-peer reviewed (limited) data point - information only.

COVID affects nearly all organs
A pre-peer reviewed study examined tissue samples from autopsies of patients who passed away from COVID, and found that SARS-CoV-2 was present in nearly all organs.

This helps explain how multiple organ systems are affected in severe COVID. Read at medRxiv.

Multisystemic cellular tropism of SARS-CoV-2 in autopsies of COVID-19 patients | medRxiv

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

Just sharing another pre-peer reviewed (limited) data point - information only.

COVID affects nearly all organs
A pre-peer reviewed study examined tissue samples from autopsies of patients who passed away from COVID, and found that SARS-CoV-2 was present in nearly all organs.

This helps explain how multiple organ systems are affected in severe COVID. Read at medRxiv.

Multisystemic cellular tropism of SARS-CoV-2 in autopsies of COVID-19 patients | medRxiv

Not really.

First of all, there is a big difference between "present" and "affected" In fact, the following quote from the article states that clearly:

"Interpretation: SARS-CoV-2 could be observed in virtually all organs, colocalizing with ACE2 and TMPRSS2 mainly in epithelial but also in mesenchymal and endothelial cells, and viral replication was found across all organ systems. Apart from the respiratory tract, no specific (histo-)morphologic alterations could be assigned to the SARS-CoV-2 infection."

There is a big difference between the epithelial and endothelial cells of an organ vs. the parenchymal cells

Second, this was an autopsy study on a small number of individuals, and represented the sickest of the sick. (But I doubt anyone who tested positive without any symptoms would volunteer to have their organs cut up for comparison)

[Petersweeney]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And again, maybe

There is no way to quantify fatigue, brain fog and loss of taste/smell. It is 100% subjective. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we don't know

It's sort of like the guy in a car accident complaining of back pain and can't work. His x-rays, CT and MRI are all negative, the neurologist finds nothing objective, neither does the orthopedist. So now he goes to 2 places----a chiropractor (yuk) and Dan Newlin while he applies for SSDI. He goes to court for disability with testimony from the chiropractor (again yuk), conveniently not presenting the x rays, CTs, MRIs, nor the opinion of the orthopedist or neurologist as evidence. The judge then grants him disability, and the rest of us are supporting him for the rest of his life (or until age 65).
The last one of these I got drawn into I later saw working on the roof of a building hauling 75 pound bundles of shingles up a 20 foot ladder.

So the moral of the story is we still don't know. But from experience, I always look at these cases where there is substantial secondary gain with a jaded eye.

If you ever get selected for jury duty please tell the judge how you feel about these cases and they will give you a free rid home….

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

Please provide that link again, it is not included in the now closed thread. I'm sincerely interested in understanding why/how you could make such a claim.

Here is a quote from the article (Link to entire article posted below)...

"Inpatient novel coronavirus (COVID-19) claims will require a positive viral test result to be eligible for the 20% increase in the MS-DRG weighting factor, effective for admissions on or after September 1. The test must be performed within 14 days of admission, and the results must be documented in the patient’s medical record."

Notice they said ON or AFTER September 1... Before that, no positive test was required. Only an assumption of Covid...

CMS Will Require Positive COVID-19 Test Results for Increased Inpatient Payment | HealthLeaders Media