[gerryann]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

Tell me why it is necessary to exercise our 2nd amendment by owning four guns and a high power rifle? Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. What possible reason could there be for owning such powerful weaponry? A disaster waiting to happen.

The shooter has been said to have "personality" disorder, or "Ausbergers". Whichever he may or may not have had.....what kind of mother would own and keep guns around a mentaly impaired child??

[Figmo Bohica]

Buggy, good to see you again. Yes, I have told some that were taking my class to get a concealed permit that I would not sign their certificate, because of their attitude. Not adult enough to be responsible to own let along carry a firearm. Have been told "I will sue you." My answer, sue away, we will see who wins what.

You will have to explain to me why civilians should not be allowed to own hi-cap magazines for pistol or rifles. As long as the criminals own them, law abiding citizens have the right to own them. So on that one, we will have to agree to disagree.

You can thank our criminal congress critters for allowing all the PC on the mental cases to be roaming the streets. Personal freedom and don't you dare say anything about someone's kid, they will sue you. See no parental responsibility about raising their children. Why do we let a small majority take prayer out of schools. Why do we, you name it, allow a small majority to take away anything. If you don't like it, don't do it.

My heart goes out to all those that lost love ones. I know how it feels. It is something that you never get over.

All of us need to start to do something to stop this, and make, from the top down, start taking responsibility and get this country back to the basics. Now, not, next week, but now, so that something like this does not ever happen again.

[shcisamax]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

You will have to explain to me why civilians should not be allowed to own hi-cap magazines for pistol or rifles. As long as the criminals own them, law abiding citizens have the right to own them. So on that one, we will have to agree to disagree.

Just because criminals own them, doesn't make it a reason for civilians to own them. If there are no assault type weapons for sale, there will be a very limited black market for them and they would
be EXTREMELY expensive. Most criminals, and deranged individuals, the type you and I will come in contact with will never get their hands on them because they don't have lots of money. The cartel types and organized crime types will still but the majority of these disasters are not from cartels and organized crime. They are from street gangs, deranged people and low lifes.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by shcisamax

Just because criminals own them, doesn't make it a reason for civilians to own them. If there are no assault type weapons for sale, there will be a very limited black market for them and they would
be EXTREMELY expensive. Most criminals, and deranged individuals, the type you and I will come in contact with will never get their hands on them because they don't have lots of money. The cartel types and organized crime types will still but the majority of these disasters are not from cartels and organized crime. They are from street gangs, deranged people and low lifes.

The folks or other relatives of the deranged might have access to assault weapons. And you can never really tell when someone with what appears to be mild mental health problems will break. There are a very large number of people in the US who have some kind of mild mental health problem. http://www.nami.org/template.cfm?sec...mental_illness

I do not see any easy answers with preventing these kind of atrocities.

[westcoastsunshine]

I have received many emails and facebook messages from
distraught, grieving Mothers. These wonderful women come from
many different cultures yet we are all feeling one and
the same emotion......profound sadness.

One woman sent me this so I thought I would pass it
along:

THE SOLDIER'S SANCTUARY

Evil does not exist within a gun.
It exists in the minds and hearts
of those who pull the trigger for
evil purposes.

If I had it to do over, I would never have purchased
those popular, violent and graphic video games for
my son. What was I thinking.... should have
banned them from our home to take a stand against
violence!

This bible phrase has new meaning for me:

"Suffer little children and forbid them not to
come unto me such is the kingdom of heaven"
- Gospel of Matthew Chapter 19 Verse 14


WCS

[gerryann]

Originally Posted by janmcn

As a Canadian, maybe you can explain what Canadians do differently that causes such a discrepancy in the number of annual gun deaths, 52 in Canada compared to 10,728 in the US is 2011?

How do Canadians not allow the culture of violence that is running wildly in this country? Canadians see the same movies, play the same video games, use the same internet? Is it all a matter of family values being different in Canada, or more discipline in the homes?

I agree, but that is a HUGE discrepancy. Are the guns laws stricter in Canada? Must be......

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by gerryann

I agree, but that is a HUGE discrepancy. Are the guns laws stricter in Canada? Must be......

Gun politics in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

You will have to explain to me why civilians should not be allowed to own hi-cap magazines for pistol or rifles. As long as the criminals own them, law abiding citizens have the right to own them. So on that one, we will have to agree to disagree.

With all due respect Figmo, this is a ridiculous argument. Civilians including the criminal type, should not be allowed to own hi-cap magazines or other military weapons because there is no legitimate reason for them to own them. If they were unlawful, there would be a possibility they were found out and the weapons would be confiscated and they could be prosecuted. Realizing that they could own them illegally, what would be the logic that law abiders should then also own them? Do you forsee a firefight between criminals and law abiding citizens where each armed with assault type weaponry the outcome would be positive? This is the kind of stuff the NRA promotes and most people disagree with, but since they have many lawmakers in their pocket, little can be achieved. I think the overwhelming majority of Americans think that military weaponry should not be in the hands of civilians. I think the overwhelming majority of Americans cannot fathom why 40% of guns sold are sold without background checks as the result of the "gun show loophole". I am sure you are a conscienscious gun owner and instructor, but unfortunately it has been proven that many people are not. . And I am not a sissy or a pollyanna, I understand that we cannot always prevent things like this before the fact, but that does not mean we should not take whatever actions are available to us sooner rather that later

By the way, when I look in the mirror I am pleased with the person I see. The people that are narcissistic or mentally disturbed look in the mirror and believe they see the only person that is right or has worth.

[rubicon]

We have become a re-active and very emotional society. witness how long and extensive coverage continues with celebrity deaths mass shootings, a celebrity's bad behavior. this extensive coverage is bad because it marginalizes the event and actually creates more apathy than empathy. Hollywood types will cry out for gun control and then continue to make movies like Ä natural born Killer."

Worse yet all of this attention getting will cause politicians to look for an easy answer and of course that easy answer is gun control. Forgive me but i was not one to fall for Obama's alligator's tears. He was posing for his push on gun control.

The direct cause of this latest mass killing was again a young person in desperate need of mental health care. One cannot judge the family. There is little help either from private or public sources for families. Some families abondon mentally unstable members, while some mentally unstable leave on their own accord. Even for famiies willing to help the mental health community is either inept or not provided suffiecient funds in which to operate successfully. Mental health professionals often misdiagnose their patients, some abuse them or simply show little compassion in the same manner they would a cancer patient.

The direct cause of this and many such tragedies is our nation's inability to deal effectively with this problem but this long drawn out emotional display by the mass media will bury this fact.. We seem not to have a problem with tackling other issues, some more complex and life threatening.

In past generations our american ancestors dealt with massacre, those killed in wars, etc by paying proper respects and then moving on with the determination that they would deal with the root cause and eliminate it. Now we mourn and mourn and mourn and then deflate

To be sure my heart cries out for those killed in Connecticut but if we really want to honor them do it by writing to your represenatives to pass laws that help mental health professionals and families deal effectively with loved ones needing care.

Remember several school children were attacked not with a gun but a knife in China. finally let me end with this disclosure. I do not own a gun nor do i have the motivation to want one. However, I do believe strongly that the
2nd Amendment has as much relevance today as it did when it was originally passed. finally to those who believe that the orginators had flint locks and could not imagine today's weapons must remember that in today's world flint locks woud be ineffective. Ergo to suggest that semi-automatic don't fit the 2nd amendment must remeber we are looking at today's world not 1776.

[gerryann]

If this boy did not have access to a gun(guns), these children would be alive. Don't compare a gun to a knife....ridiculous.

Since Wisconsin recently approved the concealed gun law, I know of a whole lot of idiots out there with guns.....sitting in bars, getting drunk, with a gun in their pocket.

[eweissenbach]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Forgive me but i was not one to fall for Obama's alligator's tears. He was posing for his push on gun control.
.

You diminish the credibility of your arguments with a partisan political cheap-shot such as this.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by janmcn

As a Canadian, maybe you can explain what Canadians do differently that causes such a discrepancy in the number of annual gun deaths, 52 in Canada compared to 10,728 in the US is 2011?

How do Canadians not allow the culture of violence that is running wildly in this country? Canadians see the same movies, play the same video games, use the same internet? Is it all a matter of family values being different in Canada, or more discipline in the homes?

I haven't really examined the statistics. As far as I can see, all North American peoples are pretty similar, be it Ontario or Nebraska or Florida. Of course the population in Canada is around 34 million compared to around 311 million in the US. Canada does have the same culture of violence being readily available in movies, on the internet and in video games. I do see one difference between the countries. Canada is a very popular destination for immigrants, because we do encourage multiculturalism. We protect cultural identities and languages rather than expecting immigrants to become similar to us. It's just a personal observation, but there are a lot of immigrants from Europe and Asia who seem to hold their children to higher standards and expect more in terms of obedience, hard work and respect. Please don't flame me for saying that.

[shcisamax]

eweissenbach....I am renaming you to e wise is back.

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

It's just a personal observation, but there are a lot of immigrants from Europe and Asia who seem to hold their children to higher standards and expect more in terms of obedience, hard work and respect. Please don't flame me for saying that.

Agree entirely with this last comment. But, I think this is the same with all immigrants who come to our countries looking for a better life, not so much for themselves, but definitely for their children.

One only has to look at the professions to see who are taking over the top positions, mainly children of immigrants because (IMO) they see the opportunities which they would never have had in their own countries, but our children have grown up with these opportunities and are very much inclined to take them for granted.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Agree entirely with this last comment. But, I think this is the same with all immigrants who come to our countries looking for a better life, not so much for themselves, but definitely for their children.

One only has to look at the professions to see who are taking over the top positions, mainly children of immigrants because (IMO) they see the opportunities which they would never have had in their own countries, but our children have grown up with these opportunities and are very much inclined to take them for granted.

I think you are right. And because children are being raised by others now rather than in the home like ours were, they aren't exactly getting the same things told them, day after day. And because we moms were human, we would be impatient if they didn't act fairly decently. We wanted them to turn out right. All of those things have changed. There are good caregivers for little ones but it is NOT the same, or as effective as people being with their own children when they are little and learning what matters from someone who truly loves you. (values)

But... all of those things cannot fix someone who is deranged or mentally ill. That isn't an issue with a simple answer.