[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Guns kill people in the same way that forks made me fat.

[ugotme]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Guns kill people in the same way that forks made me fat.

Don't forget spoons !!!!

[ilovetv]

Two things about banning automatic weapons to prevent such massacres or reducing the numbers killed:

1. "What's now beyond dispute — largely from the [Columbine] killers' journals, which have been released over the past few years, is this: Harris and Klebold killed 13 and wounded 24, but they had hoped to kill thousands.

The pair planned the attacks for more than a year, building 100 bombs and persuading friends to buy them guns. Just after 11 a.m. on April 20, they lugged a pair of duffel bags containing propane-tank bombs into Columbine's crowded cafeteria and another into the kitchen, then stepped outside and waited.

Had the bombs exploded, they'd have killed virtually everyone eating lunch and brought the school's second-story library down atop the cafeteria, police say. Armed with a pistol, a rifle and two sawed-off shotguns, the pair planned to pick off survivors fleeing the carnage.

As a last terrorist act, a pair of gasoline bombs planted in Harris' Honda and Klebold's BMW had been rigged apparently to kill police, rescue teams, journalists and parents who rushed to the school — long after the pair expected they would be dead.

The pair had parked the cars about 100 yards apart in the student lot. The bombs didn't go off......" (*)

2. The 9-1-1 Massacre was accomplished with bombs consisting of loaded for cross-country jet fuel tanks flown into the buildings.

When sick minds are set on doing a massacre, they will find a way to do it regardless of the legality of the various types of guns.

To me, the common denominator in most of these mass shootings such as Columbine, Ft. Hood, Tuscon, Denver Theater, Virginia Tech and probably this latest massacre in Newtown is that school and military (Ft. Hood and Walter Reed) faculty, justice system authorities and counseling professionals knew long before the events that these killers were sick enough in the head to be planning and capable of carrying out such an event.

But "privacy" laws and notions, maintaining a good institutional image, and political correctness are helping to keep such individuals and their evil, sick propensities under wraps and they are allowed to be free to stalk and plan and execute.

I suspect the killer in this case, too, was known to have a history of sick and twisted thinking but more and more kids and classmates have been taught to be "tolerant" and "nonjudgmental". Those two good concepts have become distorted to the point of many young people thinking it's worse to be "judgemental" than it is to be planning an evil, murderous and suicidal killing spree.

(*) 10 years later, the real story behind Columbine - USATODAY.com

[Mack184]

Originally Posted by cologal

I don't think cocaine ever killed an Kindergarten class... FYI guns were purchased legally but they were semi-automatic. I support restrictions for semi, auto and extended clips.

Cocaine has killed, addicted and sickend thousands.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by Mack184

Cocaine has killed, addicted and sickend thousands.

yes but cocaine did that to people who chose to use it, not a classroom full of 5 year olds.

I support the ban of high capacity clips, auto and semi automatic weapons and body armor.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Guns kill people in the same way that forks made me fat.

Tis true as each has to be used... It's called cause and effect!

[Golfingnut]

First and foremost is the incredible sorrow I feel for the innocent souls of Newtown. May God shower comfort on us all during this terrible time.

The real cop out is to say things like, Guns don't kill people, people kill people or The crazy will just find another way if you ban guns. I sincerely believe it is the assault weapons, extended clips and automatic firing that give these cowards the False courage to carry out these wicked acts. Even if I am dead wrong, would America be any worse off if we were free of these fire arms capable of mass killings?

If anyone out there has the ability to set up a responsible gun owners group that would work toward banning Assault Weapons, Extended Clips, Automatic Firing and more stringent rules for gun shows, Add me to your notification as I will be happy to volunteer for that cause in any way I can. Keep in mind that the opposition will say the government is trying to erode gun owners rights. That is false as gun ownership should not mean that any citizen can own and operate military style weaponry on our streets.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I agree with Justjac. In our society, we need to stop exposing our children to violence on television, in the news, in video games, on the internet, at the movies. Children need to be taught to love and respect others, and that violence isn't normal or permissable.

Absolutely, we give them all this to watch and then provide them with the same assault weapons to carry it out and be the star of their own video games.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Absolutely, we give them all this to watch and then provide them with the same assault weapons to carry it out and be the star of their own video games.

No one needs assault weapons. Video games are WAY too violent. Ethics aren't allowed to be taught in schools and there is a lot wrong with our society


Little ones have been murdered. Their parents lives will never, ever completely be happy again. The small innocents just went to school. We all have sent our children to school. I taught kindergarten for decades. They are the most wonderful age of all.

We are all mourning and in so doing we are going through all of the reactions; shock, anger, confusion. We are just incredulous.

I post too much. We all talk too much sometimes. There aren't any easy answers here. We can't say it was caused by this or this or would not have happened because of this or this. We are the older generation, supposedly the wise ones, we should be able to see this all clearer somehow.

We don't know if this man was sane or angry or raised with no moral compass. We don't know and if we did, what could we do?

It is just awful and doesn't look any better after we slept on it.

I feel so bad for all of us kind and loving people who just are absolutely powerless to help or to comfort.

God help us all.



We are all together in trying to absorb how anyone could do this, ever.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by cologal

yes but cocaine did that to people who chose to use it, not a classroom full of 5 year olds.

I support the ban of high capacity clips, auto and semi automatic weapons and body armor.

I'm with you.

Just imagining the fear that those innocent kindergarteners, as well as the other grades of children, experienced from a deranged youth who obviously was mentally ill..........makes me think of my own grandbabies.

God only knows why his mom, knowing his condition, would even have owned guns in the first place.

That community and that part of Connecticut is a lovely place, where people moved to live in peace and harmony and raise their innocent children in a safe environment.

Someone else mentioned that we are all supposed to (nowadays) tolerate people like the shooter and it is part of the problem. Even in our town, we know of "youth" and "middle aged" folks who are all on psychotropic drugs due to mental issues. Sometimes a cocktail of drugs.

These drugs all interact differently, depending on one's system.

We've been told by a local sheriff (neighbor) to lock our doors and be careful if dealing with a certain one or two individuals.....one a teenager, the other a preppy guy who graduated Harvard. Go figure. They come in all shapes and sizes and ages. No one knows what "meds" their neighbor is on or what cocktail of drugs......and when they are going to explode.
..........usually venting their misplaced anger on totally innocent little angels such as those in Connecticut yesterday..........it's very sad for the parents, especially leading up to Christmas......which will always be a sad reminder, year after year.

My prayers also went out to the families of the teachers and principal, etc.,having educators in our family and extended family. One never imagines when they are going to step into a schoolroom setting and experience pure evil. I envisioned my son when he was in kindergarten and our daughter, ditto.......and all of our grandchildren, ditto.......and it was heart wrenching to think of them mowed down by guns........of any kind.

My husband has always been a hunter and is for hunter's rights and citizens rights to "bear arms"........but it's how do you keep them out of the hands of the deranged folks? We also remember Columbine in Colorado as if it were yesterday..........and Virginia Tech, etc., etc.

[senior citizen]

P.S.
Our town's morning newspaper said that the shooter was an honors student, his mom was a decent person........his brother claims he had a "personality disorder" and someone else claims he was "autistic". I know what autism is. I do not think that is connected to the personality disorder part. I have two 40 some year old nieces who are both autistic, but the condition seems to run on the German side of their mother's family.....uncles, aunts, etc. They are both mute. I don't believe this boy was mute, or at least that part of it has not been published..........of course, there are different parts of the "autism spectrum" such as asburgers syndrome, etc.

My neices both have "hearts of gold" and although mute.....do write long letters. I would never be afraid of either one of them or expect any acting out like in CT.

The personality disorder might have been bi polar / schizophrenia.........like our neighbors whom we've been warned against by the sheriff. They have "attacked" their parents........and spouse........not fatally, but they have had police to the house on many occasions and been confined to mental facilities.

As it stands, with the killer dead.........he's taken his "reasons" to the grave with him.

His mom cannot speak, that's for sure. Only his dad and brother remain to shed some light on it all.........if they can. WE noticed his bro was taken in handcuffs to be questioned. Is that common procedure when you are innocent? We were surprised.

I know there was a mix up in the names in the beginning and Ryan, the living bro, was the suspected killer........later it was Adam.

[jblum315]

His brother was taken into custody because his ID was found on the suspect's body. He was not charged.

[Love2cruise]

Originally Posted by cologal

I support the ban of high capacity clips, auto and semi automatic weapons and body armor.

I agree. Why do people who are not in law enforcement, military, etc. need those types of weapons and body armor? To all of the people who think its their right, try explaining that to 26 grieving families this morning.

[janmcn]

I can't understand why the shooter's mother didn't keep her four legally registered guns locked up, if it was known that the shooter had mental problems. If she had, she might be alive today along with the others.

[Figmo Bohica]

I have read all the posts on this. It will not be long before the object, guns, are blamed for what happened, taking all the responsibility away from the person. It seems that none of us are no longer held responsible for what we do, it is always someone else’s fault.


Well, folks, look in the mirror, that is the person who is responsible for this and the other horrendous acts of violence that have taken place in the past few years. That’s right, you, me and the rest of us. We have taught our children that they can do no wrong. If they do, and someone else corrects them, we, the parents come to their aid and defend them, making the other person look in the wrong. Shame on us. Back in my school days and play days, if I misbehaved in school or at a neighbors house and got in trouble, I could expect, double when I got home. Now if a teacher or neighbor says anything to “your child” you sue, telling your child it’s not their fault, its that mean person for saying something to you, even if the child is at fault.

Just look around us here in The Villages. How many of you stop at all stop signs, use your turn signals, let you underage grandchild drive your golf cart? You are just enforcing the fact that rules don’t apply to you ot them, only to the other person.

Will more incidents like this happen, ya bettcha, they will until we step up to the plate and take responsibility back and make our children understand that they have to be responsible for their actions.

Look at who we vote for and send to office. They make rules for us that they don’t have to follow. We allowed this, never said a word, and now we are reaping what we have sowed.

Shame on us. It’s time to make everyone take personal responsibility for their actions again and quite blaming any object for our misguided actions.

So if you are brave enough, look in the mirror and get busy changing things.