[Cuervo]

What I believe is this hold topic is a joke.

What people believe in or don’t believe in as far as I’m concern is personal and at the end their beliefs might even pan out to be true.

If someone believes in space aliens or not, climate change or not does not make them gullible it’s just their beliefs.

I’m not religious and I’m sure many who are posting their negative opinions are worshipers of some sort. Though I do not subscribe to their religious beliefs and financially trough the tax system in this country I’m forced to support their beliefs in one way or another, I tolerate their beliefs without question because I know this is what they need to get themselves through the day.

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

and rare?

Doubtful that its rare in the size of the universe, infinite!
Doubtful that it's rare in the Milky Way galaxy. .

Just impossible to know since as you state, there are just so many stars out there we can see, but we can't see the unlit planets out there, and they are so far away, that it's impossible to know. . so rare just wants us to be special. . but we really don't know nor can find out. .

I don't believe that ANYTHING is possible, I mean, Taylor Swift isn't going to ask me out, but I'm willing to state that there are any number of things that are not possible now, but might be later, based on scientific advancements.

But in the absence of any evidence as I've described, plus the issues with vast distances, light speed travel, much less faster than light travel, I can only draw one conclusion - we have never been visited by intelligent alien life.

Happy to be proven wrong. But no one has managed to do it yet.

[donfey]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Good question. Maybe, just maybe, there is a crack in their belief and other points of view make them feel uncomfortable and threatened. So they get defensive and try to put down the belief of others. A sad, but common, human trait.

"There's a sucker born every minute." Phineas T. Barnum.
Interestingly, that comment can apply to either side of an "argument" like this. Pick a subject.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Battlebasset

Bottom line: Space is big. Really big. The nearest star would take 4.3 years to reach at the speed of light. Approaching that speed would take an enormous amount of energy. And there is plenty of scientific evidence that no physical being can go faster than the speed of light.

Add to that the issues with space/time as you approach the speed of light, and the fact that we have never, since looking for them starting in the early 70's, picked up any radio signals, leads me to only one conclusion: We have never been visited by alien life. And if intelligent life is out there, it's really far away. And rare.

For most of human history the average speed on land was 3 mph. Speed under sail, particularly in open water, was a bit better: maybe 6 knots (about 7 mph). If you wanted to go coast-co-coast in 1860 you had several choices: covered wagon = 5-6 months. Taking a sailing ship around Cape Horn took roughly 200 days, assuming you got there at all. Going down to the isthmus of Panama, crossing overland and boating on up the Pacific coast took about 43 days. Then steam power came of age and with the transcontinental railroad you could get from NY to San Francisco in a week--and at 85% less cost. Today? About four hours.

Remember when the sound barrier, according to quite a few educated minds at the time, was NEVER going to be broken? We were also NEVER going to reach the moon. We would NEVER discover other planets because they didn't exist. Lots of NEVERS back then. Heck, I knew plenty of people in my youth who before Orville and Wilbur came on the scene thought that heavier-than-air flight was NEVER going to be achieved. Until it was.

I heard once some time back (1980?) that the sum total of humanity's knowledge doubles every two years. Maybe. Sounds like a huge number and I suck at math. But one thing I DO know is that the people claiming NEVER, will, in time, ALWAYS be wrong.

I probably won't be around to see it, but I have no doubt that my grandchildren will, one day, be able to see Voyagers 1 and 2 on display at the Smithsonian. And the history books of THEIR children will contain detail not only evidence of alien life but also the encounters between aliens and humans.

[Ptmcbriz]

Actually sightings have increased with all the cell phones, but you would know that if you listened to congressional hearings on the subject. Personally, I’ve taken photos and videos through my telescope of them. The one I photographed was a plasma ship that suddenly morphed into a solid spaceship and then morphed back into an energy plasma ship. Just because you haven’t experienced something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Out of trillions of planets the creator made, we aren’t the only beings in the universe. To think otherwise would be very elitist of us.

[kendi]

Seems the naivety is to think that in this great expanse of the universe we live in that we are the only living creatures. That this tiny dot that we call earth is the only place where life can exist. Kind of like when the supposedly wise used to say the earth is flat. Not willing to think outside of the box.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by kendi

Seems the naivety is to think that in this great expanse of the universe we live in that we are the only living creatures. That this tiny dot that we call earth is the only place where life can exist. Kind of like when the supposedly wise used to say the earth is flat. Not willing to think outside of the box.

Agreed.

Add to that also that we exist on a tiny rock about 400 or so degrees above absolute zero. Most of the real estate in this universe is far hotter, gassier, more radioactive and larger than our rock. We search for life as we know it: i.e. at approximately the same stage of technological development or a bit more, perceive time similarly to us, breathe oxygen, use electromagnetic waves for communication, and live on a rock similar to ours. But there could be other intelligent life in this universe, possibly in our own solar system, and maybe even on our rock, that is so different from ours that we are incapable of recognizing it.

Yet.

[jimmy o]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............

This was released last year by FBI through National Archives. Make of it what you will.

[Driller703]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............

Believing that we are alone in the universe is the ultimate hubris.
Let’s put you center stage in an arena with 10,000 people from ALL walks of life who claim to have seen a UAP; who have NOTHING at all to gain by relating their experiences except ridicule by people like you, and have you tell them all to their faces that they are all crazy. Who’s the A-hole now!!

[airstreamingypsy]

I lived in Connecticut, my house was beachfront on Long Island Sound. One night I went to bed, and noticed an odd saucer shaped thing with lights around it, in the corner on the big sliding doors to the deck. Hmmmm..... I watched it for what seemed like an eternity, because I knew it was over water, but didn't know why it was hovering in place. Planes don't do that. I fell asleep, and thought that was the end of it. The next night it was back! I actually woke my teenager up, and made her come look at it....... same thing. Never saw it after that second night. No one will ever convince me that there's no such thing, something is out there.

[Driller703]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Cannot see why any intelligent space travellers would want to have anything to do with us unless we become a threat after technological advances allow us to travel further out into space. Intelligent life would keep a distance and just watch with as few contacts as possible.

Their reasoning is probably beyond your comprehension. Why do some people earn PhDs. from studying insects. They have their reasons or they wouldn’t be doing it.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Driller703

Believing that we are alone in the universe is the ultimate hubris.
Let’s put you center stage in an arena with 10,000 people from ALL walks of life who claim to have seen a UAP; who have NOTHING at all to gain by relating their experiences except ridicule by people like you, and have you tell them all to their faces that they are all crazy. Who’s the A-hole now!!

How many reports of UAPs have there been since, say, WW 2? 10,000? 50,000? 500,000? More?

Let's go with the high number. 500,000. But if even ONE of those reports is the real deal, all of a sudden those other 499,999 don't matter.

[Driller703]

Originally Posted by michgary

Im not surprised many people who post here do not follow current info that supports new info concerning unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs) ,, which is what they now call UFOs,,, its all here if you are interested,,, watch the video,, we have non human bio material

whttps://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-ua

Non-believers these days, with the evidence available, are uninformed Luddites.

[LoisR]

Let's have a vote.
Who's the stupid one?
The non-believer or the one with several science degrees and a background of working "in the industry?"

[opinionist]

I have seen Chemtrails from geoengineering but no aliens to see there.
I have seen gaslighting propaganda from media outlets but no aliens to see there.
People who lead boring lives can chase stories of aliens if it gives their life purpose.