[Topspinmo]

Florida explains what is a road and how to navigate them. If may not be same where ever you came from. If specifically gives instructions on how to walk down road and what is considered road.

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When walking on roadway which MMP is road when you look up definition of road. Particularly (4).

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0316.130.html

[KAM+6]

I look at how many are wearing seat belts and very few have seat belts on.

[pedwards2932]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry, but I agree with the poster you are responding to, and yes, IT IS THE SLOW DRIVER"S FAULT. Yes, the immediate causal factor might be a stupid move by an impatient driver, but the ROOT CAUSE is the slow driver. If these slugs weren't crawling along, that impatient driver would not be making a stupid move in the first place.

I am not advocating for speeding, and I am not advocating for stupid maneuvers. I am advocating for a modicum of driving skills, which includes the ability to drive faster than 12 mph. Those that cannot keep up with cart traffic on a MMP should pull over and let the 17 carts piled up behind them pass. Those that tool along at 12 but then speed up to 20+ when someone tries to pass should just be shot on the spot. BTW, in case those people don't know it, Florida law prohibits a vehicle that is being overtaken from speeding up to prevent it. This applies to cars and carts. Your responsibility when getting passed is simply to maintain the same speed you were going until you have been completely passed. Then it is OK for you to wake up.

I'd like to think this was just sarcasm but it clearly something much more insidious.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Latoo

The paths are an amenity. Should be signs RESIDENTS ONLY!. Golf cart renters should be residents or guests. People renting carts do not understand how the paths work and think it is a game. Where are the going. The path pretty much only go to amenities.

Still considered road even though private with no restrictions to public.

[pedwards2932]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry, but I agree with the poster you are responding to, and yes, IT IS THE SLOW DRIVER"S FAULT. Yes, the immediate causal factor might be a stupid move by an impatient driver, but the ROOT CAUSE is the slow driver. If these slugs weren't crawling along, that impatient driver would not be making a stupid move in the first place.

I am not advocating for speeding, and I am not advocating for stupid maneuvers. I am advocating for a modicum of driving skills, which includes the ability to drive faster than 12 mph. Those that cannot keep up with cart traffic on a MMP should pull over and let the 17 carts piled up behind them pass. Those that tool along at 12 but then speed up to 20+ when someone tries to pass should just be shot on the spot. BTW, in case those people don't know it, Florida law prohibits a vehicle that is being overtaken from speeding up to prevent it. This applies to cars and carts. Your responsibility when getting passed is simply to maintain the same speed you were going until you have been completely passed. Then it is OK for you to wake up.

There are hills on the MMP that can cause some carts to slow down a little. It is not always safe to pull over especially on blind turns. Carts are supposed to be governed to no more than 20 mph. However, while we are going the speed limit we are seeing speeding carts going way beyond that. You don't belong in a retirement community if you feel like people should be shot on the spot. There are concerns when bikes and pedestrians aren't paying attention to carts that are meeting from opposite directions.

[jimbomaybe]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I really detest "mandatory." I understand the thought behind it but I just don't like the Govt forcing me to protect myself.

If I am not hurting someone, leave me alone.
If the answer is I am making choices that burden society then watch out, that's a very long, very slipper slope.

I try to do my best to maintain my health, a healthy life style and perhaps some would say somewhat severe. I don't think that is reflected in my INS rates , the argument can be made that has me subsidizing people with a more relaxed attitude regarding their health. just as not wearing a seat belt increases your likelihood of being more seriously inured in an accident. I see you point but the way we live our lives will effect others, unless we get to the point that smoking, drinking over eating raises your medical INS, just as demonstrated negligent drivers who collect tickets and higher auto INS rates

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Don't need helmets and bubble wrap, but seat-belts should be standard issue with all golf carts, new and used, sold by licensed dealers. If the dealer didn't get the used cart with seatbelts, they should be required to install them before re-selling the cart.

This way - insurance companies can say "well he wasn't wearing his seat belt, which was available for him to use. So we won't be covering his injuries, or any damage to his cart or anyone else's property that occurred immediately following his ejection from his seat."

Make the driver who chose not to use seatbelts be 100% responsible for all damages. And if a minor child falls out and gets killed, charge the driver with negligence of a minor, and vehicular homicide.

Was in the insurance biz. Creating a huge can of worms. We are talking about golf carts which were designed to be driven on golf courses and easy access. Even if you are wearing seat belt in a car, insurance company can not deny coverage. Your claim can and possibly be reduced if you were not using the seat belt.

Modifications made after cart is delivered to the dealer are the modifications which cause the problems

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by RatattacK79

Exactly… California made it mandatory helmet law for motorcycle riders and totally ruined the freedom of the ride.

Do not ride motorcycles but do snow ski. Started using a helmet while skiing 15 years ago. Agree helmet is lighter than a motorcycle helmet but me nor 99% of the other skiers did not lose any freedom. In fact we do not even feel it.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by FFlank

Making this argument in court would be both the “root cause” AND the “immediate causal factor” of a judge’s hysterical laughter 😂

Had the same thought unless there is a posted TOO low speed sign. Been living here for 5 years. Have only seen 1 person going way less than 20MPH. Annoying but who cares. Took me 1 minute longer

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by cgrani

The golf carts used for lifestyle visits do not have seat belts. These are drivers who are not used to the rules of TV and have probably not driven a cart other than on a golf course.

They still are golf carts. Not MMP Carts or TV only golf carts. Yamaha and others build golf carts.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by RatattacK79

Exactly… California made it mandatory helmet law for motorcycle riders and totally ruined the freedom of the ride.

People on a long waiting list for a vital life saving organ are big fans of the states that don’t have a mandatory helmet law.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

just got down here for a week and everything is normal:

saw a car driving the wrong way down Powell, after coming out of Walgreens, across from Home Depot.

its the car / golf cart's fault, always, the driver, never responsible until the court declares the driver responsible.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by pedwards2932

There are hills on the MMP that can cause some carts to slow down a little. It is not always safe to pull over especially on blind turns. Carts are supposed to be governed to no more than 20 mph. However, while we are going the speed limit we are seeing speeding carts going way beyond that. You don't belong in a retirement community if you feel like people should be shot on the spot. There are concerns when bikes and pedestrians aren't paying attention to carts that are meeting from opposite directions.

So you took the "shot on the spot" comment seriously and not hyperbole?????? Hmmmm

[Taltarzac725]

I recall going to the movie Watchmen with a neighbor who drove his golf cart a little too fast for me. I would be sliding around when he took the corners too quickly. Let us just say that was the first and only time I went to the movies with him. Fun guy though. His wife does not care for many of the films he goes to. I would sometimes see him in the same theater I was in like with Mission Impossible , James Bond, or similar flicks. Sometimes I would go with my mother, brother(s) sister -in-law, nieces, nephew, etc.

[darkim]

Originally Posted by jrref

Regardless what anyone says, most golf carts are going 23-25 mph here in the Villages. Even at 20 mph, people don't realize you are going fast enough to sustain serious injury if anything happens. So, yes seat belts should be mandatory.

Would seat belts be required while golfing also?