[xcaligirl]

I wish when a crime is reported, it would also be reported if the gun was purchased legally, if the person has a license to carry.

[manaboutown]

It seems to me that whatever the laws bad guys and looney tunes will be able to find guns with which to kill people. Frankly, I am far more concerned about certain countries run by looney tunes which now have or are gaining access to nukes. They will will be able to kill millions at a pop.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by xcaligirl

I wish when a crime is reported, it would also be reported if the gun was purchased legally, if the person has a license to carry.

The recent murders were using guns legally purchased according to the news. I don't know if that is going to make any difference to the dead. I doubt if it makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. The kid had some serious mental issues and probably would have used a pressure cooker bomb if the guns weren't available. After the Oklahoma bombing, there were strict laws put into effect governing the purchase of fertilizer. Seriously. The only viable solution is to detect the deficient gene in the fetus and abort it. Being facetious again.

[Incoblack1]

There are over 14,000 gun murders each year in this country and doing nothing about it should be unacceptable to all! Doing nothing when you're murder rate is 10 times higher than, for example, Japan, is not an option. The amount of firepower allowed to be possessed by the average citizen for protection or hunting should be limited. Failing a background check at a gun dealer and being able to walk across the street and successfully buy a gun at a gun show makes no sense. Does it? All guns should be registered (like automobiles) so that they can be tracked in the event of a crime. Is this not common sense? Will these changes not have the potential to reduce street crime in this country? If not please explain why not??

[AJ32162]

Originally Posted by harry black

There are over 14,000 gun murders each year in this country and doing nothing about it should be unacceptable to all! Doing nothing when you're murder rate is 10 times higher than, for example, Japan, is not an option. The amount of firepower allowed to be possessed by the average citizen for protection or hunting should be limited. Failing a background check at a gun dealer and being able to walk across the street and successfully buy a gun at a gun show makes no sense. Does it? All guns should be registered (like automobiles) so that they can be tracked in the event of a crime. Is this not common sense? Will these changes not have the potential to reduce street crime in this country? If not please explain why not??

I'm sure that convicted felons and other criminals will be the first in line to register their stolen or black market weapons.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by harry black

There are over 14,000 gun murders each year in this country and doing nothing about it should be unacceptable to all! Doing nothing when you're murder rate is 10 times higher than, for example, Japan, is not an option. The amount of firepower allowed to be possessed by the average citizen for protection or hunting should be limited. These are the law abiding and safest of gun owners....not where one is likely to find or prevent a wacko!


Failing a background check at a gun dealer and being able to walk across the street and successfully buy a gun at a gun show makes no sense. Does it? You do know you are talking about the same thing right? Gun dealers are who sells at the gun shows. Buying a gun at the gun show one must go through a back ground check....you know that right? The same as buying from the dealer across the street!


All guns should be registered (like automobiles) so that they can be tracked in the event of a crime. Once again you are missing a point. The only registered guns will be the ones owned by the good guys. Do you really think the bad guys are going to register their guns?


Is this not common sense? Will these changes not have the potential to reduce street crime in this country? If not please explain why not??

And in answer to the last question, no they will not. Now if some would like to have a discussion about how to produce laws and regulations that in fact PROFILE the bad guys, let's have at it. When ever there is a shooting some folks who do not like or do not understand gun ownership by the good guys are always inspired to do something and it is usually aimed at the good guys.

Today's permissive attitude, not hurting anubody's feelings, invasion of privacy attitudes and not wanting to get involved or implicated are all working against coming up with any meaningful changes that will adress the bad guys and those who should not have a weapon. Until that changes there will be little more than just talk as there has been for many, many MANY years on the same subject.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by billethkid

And in answer to the last question, no they will not. Now if some would like to have a discussion about how to produce laws and regulations that in fact PROFILE the bad guys, let's have at it. When ever there is a shooting some folks who do not like or do not understand gun ownership by the good guys are always inspired to do something and it is usually aimed at the good guys.

Today's permissive attitude, not hurting anubody's feelings, invasion of privacy attitudes and not wanting to get involved or implicated are all working against coming up with any meaningful changes that will adress the bad guys and those who should not have a weapon. Until that changes there will be little more than just talk as there has been for many, many MANY years on the same subject.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by harry black

There are over 14,000 gun murders each year in this country and doing nothing about it should be unacceptable to all! Doing nothing when you're murder rate is 10 times higher than, for example, Japan, is not an option. The amount of firepower allowed to be possessed by the average citizen for protection or hunting should be limited. Failing a background check at a gun dealer and being able to walk across the street and successfully buy a gun at a gun show makes no sense. Does it? All guns should be registered (like automobiles) so that they can be tracked in the event of a crime. Is this not common sense? Will these changes not have the potential to reduce street crime in this country? If not please explain why not??

You are throwing numbers about like they are getting out of control, when in fact they are less in proportion than many other countries. You compared them with other countries, so don't blame me for correcting you. Numbers can be manipulated to suit the view you want it to project. In an earlier post, I showed how out of 218 countries, the USA didn't even place in the top 100 in violent crimes per capita.

My question to you is, what would you do to prevent these from happening. Because none of what you suggested would have mattered to the recent mass shooting. The perpetrator apparently purchased his weapons legally. Most of you have never been to a gun show, so you do not even understand how they work. All the dealers at the gun shows are required to fill out paperwork for a background check of the customer and there IS a wait time before taking possession of the weapon. Contrary to the lies passed about by those that do not know.

Once again, I will ask you the question that cannot be answered. What would you change to prevent these killings?

Let me give you my answer that has proven to help a little. More concealed carry permits and less gun free zones. WHAT!! Yes, gun carrying citizens that are trained and qualified in handling guns safely and knowing the state laws, are a decent deterrent. It won't stop all of the crime, but it has proven to lower the crime rate. It will deter crimes of opportunity, but it won't stop crimes perpetrated by the mentally unstable. You are not going to prevent the actions of the unstable unless you can diagnose the mental illness and treat it early. Almost an impossible task.

You can't get rid of the guns
Registration identifies the gun but won't stop it from being used
Limiting the amount of guns one can purchase won't stop killings
Gun free zones won't stop killings. In fact, it makes it easier.

Taking guns away from good people just makes it easier for bad people with guns to commit crime. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Your only protection against bad people with guns are good people with guns.

And remember, diagnosing mental illness might stop mass killings but it won't eliminate drive by shootings, shooting in conjunction with robberies, and gang related shootings.

So, instead of using guns as a political argument, liberals need to find some other RIGHT to control. The first amendment seems to work well for them. Attacking free speech and the war on the church seems to go well for the left.

[MDLNB]

Interesting point revealed by a study:

Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center

There is no correlation between gun ownership and homicide rates.

AND, when compared with 128 countries, America is below average in homicides per capita.

Just suggesting that we don't need to rush out to pass more laws every time we have an incident.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by harry black

There are over 14,000 gun murders each year in this country and doing nothing about it should be unacceptable to all! Doing nothing when you're murder rate is 10 times higher than, for example, Japan, is not an option. The amount of firepower allowed to be possessed by the average citizen for protection or hunting should be limited. Failing a background check at a gun dealer and being able to walk across the street and successfully buy a gun at a gun show makes no sense. Does it? All guns should be registered (like automobiles) so that they can be tracked in the event of a crime. Is this not common sense? Will these changes not have the potential to reduce street crime in this country? If not please explain why not??

Actually, statistics from 2013 are that there were approximately 33,000 deaths by gun in that year. Of those approximately 21,000 were suicides and a small percentage were accidents and justifiable homicide. That leaves about 10,000 homicides. I don't know how many of those were murders but that's irrelevant.
Ten thousand people is .00003% of our population. Is that a lot?

You state that our murder rate is 10 time higher than Japan. Even if that's true, you're not stating the murder by gun rate. The definition of murder in both countries also needs to be considered.

Only about 3% of criminals who use guns in their crimes obtained them legally.I agree that sales at gun shows need to be regulated, but that's still not going to stop criminals from obtaining guns illegally. More laws are not going to stop crazies and criminals from getting guns.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Interesting point revealed by a study:

Comparing murder rates and gun ownership across countries - Crime Prevention Research CenterCrime Prevention Research Center

There is no correlation between gun ownership and homicide rates.

AND, when compared with 128 countries, America is below average in homicides per capita.

Just suggesting that we don't need to rush out to pass more laws every time we have an incident.

Also interesting is that Honduras where the citizens are prohibited from owning guns has the highest murder rate in the world. 83% of those murders are committed by gun. It seems that banning guns is ineffective.

[dirtbanker]

Originally Posted by harry black

There are over 14,000 gun murders each year in this country and doing nothing about it should be unacceptable to all!

If we are going to prevent deaths with more laws, why focus on small numbers?

There are roughly 23,607 deaths associated with influenza a year. The spread of the disease can be reduced through vaccination. Do you think there should be a law requiring everyone get a influenza vaccine? Have you done anything about the 23,607 deaths a year?

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including nearly 42,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. Do you think there should be a law forbidding anyone from smoking? Have you done anything about the 480,000 deaths a year?

I am guessing you have done nothing about those issues and your interest in 14,000 deaths a year is purely related to dramatization by the media.

More gun laws are not going to stop nutjobs from killing, taking guns away from everyone will not stop nutjobs from killing.
You are wasting your energy, go get a flu shot and save somebody's life!

[Bay Kid]

Hitler thought it was a great idea to take everyone's guns. How did that work out?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by dirtbanker

If we are going to prevent deaths with more laws, why focus on small numbers?

There are roughly 23,607 deaths associated with influenza a year. The spread of the disease can be reduced through vaccination. Do you think there should be a law requiring everyone get a influenza vaccine? Have you done anything about the 23,607 deaths a year?

Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including nearly 42,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. Do you think there should be a law forbidding anyone from smoking? Have you done anything about the 480,000 deaths a year?

I am guessing you have done nothing about those issues and your interest in 14,000 deaths a year is purely related to dramatization by the media.

More gun laws are not going to stop nutjobs from killing, taking guns away from everyone will not stop nutjobs from killing.
You are wasting your energy, go get a flu shot and save somebody's life!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

Hitler thought it was a great idea to take everyone's guns. How did that work out?

GunCite: The Myth of Nazi Gun Control

Check your history. More historical research does need to be done in this area though.