[Cedwards38]

The following is not intended to cast aspersions on any of the good people of Talk of The Villages, but rather is a characterization of the gun debate in America. All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm smarter than you are. Are not! Are too! Are not! Are too! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Democrits (Hypocritical Democrats) and Republican'ts (Nothing can be done). Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Not an assault rifle. Not an automatic weapon. Let's just call it "The Thing That Goes Bang A Lot and Lot's of People Are Dead After It Does, and Is Designed Not For Sportsmen, But Purely For The Taking of Human Life." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

LIBERAL, LEFT WING, SOCIALIST! CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT WING, FASCIST! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's your fault. No, it's your fault. Is not! Is too! Is not! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know the answer. Neither do I. Maybe if we do everything it will change. No, maybe if we do nothing it will change. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

God, we know with absolute certainty that this is going to happen again........and again, and again, and again. Please bless the innocent whose lives have been taken, and the families who grieve for them. Please forgive those of us on both sides of this debate for not finding a solution. And please God, most of all, do not let my family be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Amen.

[Jimturner]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

The following is not intended to cast aspersions on any of the good people of Talk of The Villages, but rather is a characterization of the gun debate in America. All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm smarter than you are. Are not! Are too! Are not! Are too! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Democrits (Hypocritical Democrats) and Republican'ts (Nothing can be done). Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Not an assault rifle. Not an automatic weapon. Let's just call it "The Thing That Goes Bang A Lot and Lot's of People Are Dead After It Does, and Is Designed Not For Sportsmen, But Purely For The Taking of Human Life." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

LIBERAL, LEFT WING, SOCIALIST! CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT WING, FASCIST! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's your fault. No, it's your fault. Is not! Is too! Is not! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know the answer. Neither do I. Maybe if we do everything it will change. No, maybe if we do nothing it will change. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

God, we know with absolute certainty that this is going to happen again........and again, and again, and again. Please bless the innocent whose lives have been taken, and the families who grieve for them. Please forgive those of us on both sides of this debate for not finding a solution. And please God, most of all, do not let my family be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Amen.

Start by enforcing the laws we have making it more difficult and admit that no one is after the gun of a sane law abiding citizen.!! No one!!! Doing nothing shows irresponsibility!

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

Start by enforcing the laws we have making it more difficult and admit that no one is after the gun of a sane law abiding citizen.!! No one!!! Doing nothing shows irresponsibility!

And doing something/anything just to be proactive, does not always work out well either. I am not one that believes that a bad deal is better than NO deal.

This part not in reply to your comment:
The best way to resolve this issue is to allow good people to be armed to protect us from bad people. There are not enough cops to go around so that everyone can have their own personal security. Protect yourself. If others are scared of you because you are able to protect yourself, that is their problem. Actually, it makes it less likely that you will ever have to resort to using your protection. You are not going to eliminate crime in the U.S. or the world but you can lessen/limit the damage. If a nut job starts shooting up the place, and a person with CCW intervenes, then the damage is limited.

Would you take guns away from COPS? Away from the military? Where do you think they get their members? They don't clone them. They get their members from the population. Just regular people doing their best to protect us. Some of you are scared of your neighbor carrying concealed. How do you know that he isn't former military or former law enforcement or both? How many CCWs have you seen or heard of that injured someone by accident? How many do you think are living in the villages? If you knew, you would probably hide in your home and never leave.

Do some research before making false claims about gun ownership and crime. How many crimes are committed using a car? Perhaps if we got rid of the cars, it would lessen the amount of robberies, drive by shootings, mass murders?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

GunCite: The Myth of Nazi Gun Control

Check your history. More historical research does need to be done in this area though.

That doesn't refute the claim of gun control in Germany though. And it still made it easier for the Nazis to maintain control of the masses. So, it's a moot point.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Elklake2

Just returned from Ireland. Traveled to several cities. Morning news never had shooting report. Walked streets at night enjoying Pubs, entertainers, lots of people young and old. Safe environment, no guns, breath of fresh air!
But USA has an organization that wants to protect the right to have assault weapons and minimal if any background checks. Sorry, but it will only get worse.

What a coincidence! I traveled to three town centers in The Villages recently, and "walked the streets at night enjoying the pubs, entertainers, lots of people young? and old. Safe environment, no guns (that could be seen), breath of fresh air!" Actually, I am pretty sure there were many guns in those town centers.

[MDLNB]

All the suggestions I have seen so far, only benefit the criminal. Funny how sometimes being proactive can be detrimental to the overall objective.

Kind of like having a bad deal not being better than no deal.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

The following is not intended to cast aspersions on any of the good people of Talk of The Villages, but rather is a characterization of the gun debate in America. All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm smarter than you are. Are not! Are too! Are not! Are too! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Democrits (Hypocritical Democrats) and Republican'ts (Nothing can be done). Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Not an assault rifle. Not an automatic weapon. Let's just call it "The Thing That Goes Bang A Lot and Lot's of People Are Dead After It Does, and Is Designed Not For Sportsmen, But Purely For The Taking of Human Life." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

LIBERAL, LEFT WING, SOCIALIST! CONSERVATIVE, RIGHT WING, FASCIST! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's your fault. No, it's your fault. Is not! Is too! Is not! Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don't know the answer. Neither do I. Maybe if we do everything it will change. No, maybe if we do nothing it will change. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

God, we know with absolute certainty that this is going to happen again........and again, and again, and again. Please bless the innocent whose lives have been taken, and the families who grieve for them. Please forgive those of us on both sides of this debate for not finding a solution. And please God, most of all, do not let my family be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Amen.

Amen and Amen

[tomwed]

"Is there a way to reconcile these divisions? It's hard to tell. I keep coming back to this quote, from the Economist earlier this year in response to the Charleston massacre."

"Those who live in America, or visit it, might do best to regard [mass shootings] the way one regards air pollution in China: an endemic local health hazard which, for deep-rooted cultural, social, economic and political reasons, the country is incapable of addressing."

There are now more guns than people in the United States - The Washington Post

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

Start by enforcing the laws we have making it more difficult and admit that no one is after the gun of a sane law abiding citizen.!! No one!!! Doing nothing shows irresponsibility!

And you know this how? There are soooo many people that would love to ban firearms in this country. If gun control fanatics had their way, police wouldn't even carry firearms.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by outlaw

And you know this how? There are soooo many people that would love to ban firearms in this country. If gun control fanatics had their way, police wouldn't even carry firearms.

As long as the NRA is pouring millions of dollars into campaign coffers, there is not going to be any ban on firearms.

The USA is too large of a country to make guns outlawed. In smaller countries such as Singapore, it works very well. Get caught with a gun while committing a crime - automatic life in prison. If a shot was fired - automatic execution.

There are most likely a very few fanatics who would not want police armed but not many gun control advocates feel that way.

To me, I do not see a reason to own a gun. However, if someone wants one, go right ahead and get one. Know how to use it safely and follow the laws.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

As long as the NRA is pouring millions of dollars into campaign coffers, there is not going to be any ban on firearms.

The USA is too large of a country to make guns outlawed. In smaller countries such as Singapore, it works very well. Get caught with a gun while committing a crime - automatic life in prison. If a shot was fired - automatic execution.

There are most likely a very few fanatics who would not want police armed but not many gun control advocates feel that way.

To me, I do not see a reason to own a gun. However, if someone wants one, go right ahead and get one. Know how to use it safely and follow the laws.

Of the millions of us tha own mutli milions of guns that is exactly what 99% of us do. But that is not what the special interest, political and anti gun fanatics want to be center stage.

And I do not think the NRA influence or not, what ever it is or isn't.....is not as big of a problem as those who do not not right to privacy invaded (wackos, mentally ill, criminals, etc.), the special interest groups do not want anybody singled out or profiled, the permissive crowd does not want to pick on anybody that is doing their thing, and we certainly cannot profile by color, religion or what ever even if that made a big difference in the problem.

The permissive don't upset anybody society is the major impediment and the politicians and the media make it even worse.

It ain't the guns or the 99% who own them responsibly!

[Jima64]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

Start by enforcing the laws we have making it more difficult and admit that no one is after the gun of a sane law abiding citizen.!! No one!!! Doing nothing shows irresponsibility!

The Oregon killer was able to buy his guns legally. Several other previous mass killers too. Even the more strict laws trying to be put in lace would not have prevented these tragedies. People folks people.

[MDLNB]

As far as I am concerned, anyone using a gun in the commission of a crime intends to use it. Therefore, anyone caught doing so should get life in prison or execution if anyone was hurt in the commission of the crime. I bet there would be fewer crimes committed.
However, you will not affect the mentally ill person with threats of punishment. They are more than likely prepared to die anyway, and often take their own lives when caught.

So, allow anyone a gun unless it is obvious that they aren't fit to own one, and dispose of anyone that misuses the gun. Simple.

You are not going to EVER be able to sort through those that are or aren't mentally ill so you might as well not hurt yourself thinking about it.

Being involved in a gun related incident is less of a chance than being in the path of a tornado. And if more folks carried concealed and there were not so many gun free zones, there would be less people killed by guns. Although, half the gun related deaths or more in the U.S.A. are suicides.

So, mourn those that are killed and get on with life. Thank God that it wasn't you that was involved and do something nice for someone else.

[evelyn218]

I am from Newtown. I believe one handgun is ok. But tell me why you or anyone else needs to have or store multi military weapons in their home? You are to blame and you are the murderer when the "crazy" person gets their hands on these weapons and uses them. Stop blaming the mentally ill. It's your fault. It will take a long time but we have to do something to control this. By the way, what is your mental status to need to have all these weapons handy.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Jima64

The Oregon killer was able to buy his guns legally. Several other previous mass killers too. Even the more strict laws trying to be put in lace would not have prevented these tragedies. People folks people.

Much of what this thread revolves around is the issue of mental health. Until the Feds require that states report the names of those adjudicated as having a mental illness, background checks are missing a major piece of information. The form one fills out asks the individual wishing to purchase a gun if they have a history of mental illness - self reporting doesn't work if someone wishes to ignore and falsely report that response.