[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

2) Its time to do away with the gun free zones. They do not prevent shootings. That's not to say I want every one to carry a gun without proper training. I believe everyone has the right to protect themselves in their home, in their car, and while in public. They have a constitutional right to use a gun for that protection, and they have a right to use what ever is the current standard of weapon used in the general population. This is not my opinion but the opinion of the Supreme Court. The local governments have the right to set the standards of safety for being able to carry that weapon in public. Again not my opinion but the opinion of the court. Hence the training required to get a concealed Weapons Permit. Now obviously you cannot have grade school students or high school students carrying weapons. But you can arm teachers if they care to take the challenge on and you can provide security guards.

I saw some interesting facts on the news this AM

1) all but 2 of the mass shootings in the last 10 years were in gun free zones
2) The Charleston shooter originally wanted to go to the local university, but switched to the church when he realized there were armed guards at the school (this is from info on his home computer)
3) The Aurora shooter originally wanted to go to the Denver airport, but again realized they had armed guards (also from his computer)
4) There were 7 movie theaters within a 20 minute drive of his home, and only one had a sign out front stating it is a gun free zone----guess which one?
5) Non-partisan experts all agree that there is no gun control law that will be effective against criminals and maniacs
6) So, if our president is always the smartest person in the room, WHY DOESN'T HE GET IT???????

[Walter123]

Vermont doesn't have any gun laws what-so-ever except for federal laws. There is very little crime and even less crime involving guns. The rest of the country should wake the hell up.

[tuccillo]

Vermont has demographics that would suggest a lower crime rate than the US on average. It would probably not be valid to suggest a causal relationship between the lack of Vermont specific gun laws and the crime rate (I assume that is what you are suggesting?). I suppose there could be a relationship between the low crime rate and subsequent lack of need for state specific gun laws.

Originally Posted by Walter123

Vermont doesn't have any gun laws what-so-ever except for federal laws. There is very little crime and even less crime involving guns. The rest of the country should wake the hell up.

[Sandtrap328]

Gun laws are fine and concealed carry is fine but here in Florida there seems to be a disconnect after someone - who is legally carrying - does some shooting.

As far as I know, the retired police captain who killed a young father in a movie theater in Wesley Chapel - a short distance from The Villages - has not yet had a trial and is free on bond.

Also, as far as I know, the man whose motorcycle was tapped by a car and he fired several shots into the occupied car - is still free on bond and not yet been tried.

Both of these incidents happened many, many months ago.

[tomwed]

So I wanted to do a little research on the second amendment, when it was written and what life was like back than including the firearms. I found out the most sophisticated gun was a repeating air rifle. It could hold 40 balls, was rifled and could put a 1 inch hole in a 1 inch piece of pine a hundred yards away. Shortly after the second amendment was written Lewis an Clark had 1 of these rifles on their expedition. It is believed that the Indians did not wipe them out because they weren't sure how many of these rifles the party was carrying.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Gun laws are fine and concealed carry is fine but here in Florida there seems to be a disconnect after someone - who is legally carrying - does some shooting.

As far as I know, the retired police captain who killed a young father in a movie theater in Wesley Chapel - a short distance from The Villages - has not yet had a trial and is free on bond.

Also, as far as I know, the man whose motorcycle was tapped by a car and he fired several shots into the occupied car - is still free on bond and not yet been tried.

Both of these incidents happened many, many months ago.

I guess manners will improve if you learn that acting up could cost you your life. There are always extremes in any type of situation. An airlines pilot crashed a plane full of passengers into a mountain. Therefore, we should think about banning air travel.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Vermont has demographics that would suggest a lower crime rate than the US on average. It would probably not be valid to suggest a causal relationship between the lack of Vermont specific gun laws and the crime rate (I assume that is what you are suggesting?). I suppose there could be a relationship between the low crime rate and subsequent lack of need for state specific gun laws.

Yeah.......that's what I'm suggesting.

[golfing eagles]

In light of the facts in post #300, especially regarding gun free zones, as well as a response to GQ's uncalled for vile attack on Ben Carson, might I suggest the following sign at colleges:

"This is a gun saturation zone. All students, teachers, and administrators are required to have a CWP and carry at all times. Gun toting maniacs are welcome, at their own risk. Please get your affairs in order first"

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Vermont has demographics that would suggest a lower crime rate than the US on average. It would probably not be valid to suggest a causal relationship between the lack of Vermont specific gun laws and the crime rate (I assume that is what you are suggesting?). I suppose there could be a relationship between the low crime rate and subsequent lack of need for state specific gun laws.

What differences in demographics are you talking about? Just curious.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Gun laws are fine and concealed carry is fine but here in Florida there seems to be a disconnect after someone - who is legally carrying - does some shooting.

As far as I know, the retired police captain who killed a young father in a movie theater in Wesley Chapel - a short distance from The Villages - has not yet had a trial and is free on bond.

Also, as far as I know, the man whose motorcycle was tapped by a car and he fired several shots into the occupied car - is still free on bond and not yet been tried.

Both of these incidents happened many, many months ago.

Some see a young father; some see a 6'+ inconsiderate hothead bully trying to intimidate a senior citizen. "Tapping" a moving motorcycle with a 4000# vehicle could be considered attempted murder. Just sayin'.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by tomwed

So I wanted to do a little research on the second amendment, when it was written and what life was like back than including the firearms. I found out the most sophisticated gun was a repeating air rifle. It could hold 40 balls, was rifled and could put a 1 inch hole in a 1 inch piece of pine a hundred yards away. Shortly after the second amendment was written Lewis an Clark had 1 of these rifles on their expedition. It is believed that the Indians did not wipe them out because they weren't sure how many of these rifles the party was carrying.

I really enjoyed that YouTube. Thanks for posting it.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

In light of the facts in post #300, especially regarding gun free zones, as well as a response to GQ's uncalled for vile attack on Ben Carson, might I suggest the following sign at colleges:

"This is a gun saturation zone. All students, teachers, and administrators are required to have a CWP and carry at all times. Gun toting maniacs are welcome, at their own risk. Please get your affairs in order first"

And in parenthesis at the bottom:

(due to the high price of ammunition we no longer fire warning shots)

[tuccillo]

LOL. Look it up yourself. It will become immediately obvious.

Originally Posted by outlaw

What differences in demographics are you talking about? Just curious.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I really enjoyed that YouTube. Thanks for posting it.

If you enjoyed that you may also enjoy Ken Burn's documentary on Lewis and Clark. I watched it twice and it's easy to find on youtube. How they made it over and back is just a little short of a miracle. Burn's pointed out that even when the astronauts went to the moon they were in communication with others.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Do you really think we need more gun laws???