[popbaby2]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Or maybe lots of naive people. I wouldn't call taking an "experimental vaccine" that has caused the death of numerous healthy people and severe symptoms in many others to avoid a virus with a 99% recovery rate, particularly smart. To each his own. Guess i won't be attending any events that "require proof of vaccination".

Stay away from me. Im not naive but follow the science. Its not experimental. Lot mre serious than 99% recovery rate. Your comment is just wrong

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

Check Ted Nugent situation today. Hilarious.

Lots of the vaccine naysayers and Covid naysayers have caught it and died, always begging for their followers to change their minds just before they went saying they were wrong. I think he also asked why we never heard of the first 18 Covids and only the 19th. Lol.

Possibly not a Harvard MBA.

Covid 19 - the 19 comes from the year it was discovered 2019, not because it was the 19th type of Covid. But I guess he didn’t know that

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by Swoop

I know more than 20 people who have had the virus and none have had lingering symptoms. Per the link you provided: “Our experience shows most long-haulers tend to fall into the high risk category”...

I totally agree. I have 3 family members that had covid and have no lingering problems. One had a rougher time than the other two, but was over weight. A higher risk category.

[charmed59]

Originally Posted by cherylncliff

Based on the governors executive order, that was probably illegal for them to ask if you had been vaccinated as a condition of entry.

The governor’s executive order does not apply to private clubs or homes.

I have already seen neighborhood get togethers that exclude those who are not yet vaccinated.

Face it, with so many folks not wanting to be vaccinated either now or ever we will probably not hit herd immunity until enough of them get it naturally, and that may be awhile. Meanwhile, groups are looking for a slice of normal. They can set up maskless socials or activities where everyone is vaccinated, making their own bubble of immunity.
Certainly my extended family has done this.

Is suspect when everyone has a chance of getting the vaccine the CDC will finally be sure enough to lift mask suggestions for all those who are vaccinated or have antibodies. They would have done it earlier, but unfortunately, there are those who do not have immunity that would use that opportunity to go without a mask and inadvertently infect more people. So they are waiting for everyone who wants to get immunity to get it.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by tsmall22204

So why does the Governor of the state forbid the use of vaccine passports? He is out of touch thats why.

CDC says you can still spread covid if vaccinated or not. So what is the point of a passport? Now if you couldn’t catch it or spread it, then that would be totally different.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com

I have NEVER been afraid of Covid. The only reason I wear/wore a mask and distanced is to be thoughtful for those who have been afraid.

Wasting this past year ++ in the final years of my life on earth has been the biggest challenge of my long life. Ok, I have a stupid rant..... I am sure people think they are being kind when they say “Stay Safe!” - but, it makes me cringe inside when anyone says it in the context of Covid. My mom & dad used to tell me to “be safe” and I find myself telling my friends and loved ones to be safe - but it is in reference to things like - staying safe from bad drivers, pick-pockets, cyber-criminals, slippery streets during a ice/snow storm, embarking on a long trip, going up a ladder to clean gutters ....

Anyway, sorry for rambling - if knowing makes you happy - yes, I got the vaccinations. I have absolutely no desire to know if you have gotten the vaccine. I will wear a mask - where I must. I will, however, choose to patronize businesses that do not mandate masks (please don’t get in a tizzy - it is my choice, if you feel different - that is your choice).

If masks remain mandatory - I will not waste my time getting any more Covid vaccinations. Again, don’t get in a tizzy - my choice.

‘Stay Sane!!’ :-) :-) :-) I think this is much more appropriate :-). But - again - it is just what I think. Say and do what you want to!

Well said.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by jeanninern@yahoo.com

However, if you do contract Covid-19 you may not die, but you could expose others to the virus who may not be so lucky.

You can still expose others to the virus even after you are vaccinated. That is why they are saying you still have to wear the mask. Contracting it or not isn’t the question, it’s passing it on.

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Oh please. Mammograms never existed, once upon a time. And now they're considered a normal and expected part of an average woman's journey through adulthood. They've become the "new normal" for women, and other than complaining about how uncomfortable they are to get (I attest!), the vast majority of women get them and don't even batt an eye when the doctor reminds them it's time for the next one.

Triple antibiotic ointment didn't exist, once upon a time. And now any parent keeps a tube of the stuff in the cabinet to smear on Junior when he scrapes his leg. There's nothing nefarious about it, and it has become the "new normal" to prepare for the inevitability. It is a preventative for infection. You no longer have to pour whiskey over the wound or pack it with macerated herb poultices and hope it doesn't fester.

Masks has been a normal in some parts of the world for decades. No one gives it a second thought. You leave the house, you wear a mask. No big deal. It's not mandated in those countries, no one is telling them they must do so. They do anyway. There's no reason why we can't do the same here, except that everyone is so focused on "mah freedumz" that they forget "mah health" is one of those freedumz.

Sort of like, if the color green offends you, but it's discovered that green can actually be helpful to humanity in some strange way, then when most of the world starts putting a green rock outside their door, you decide you'll just steal all the rocks because it offends your delicate sensibilities and violates your freedom to not have to see green.

Seriously. That's the mentality I perceive when I hear people railing against masks because of conspiracies and political agendas. If you don't want to wear a mask because you just don't LIKE them, be honest. That is a valid reason to not WANT to wear them. I hate the things, myself. I personally would love to not wear them in other peoples' buildings. No one thinks less of me for not wanting half my face to be covered when I'm out grocery shopping. No one thinks less of me for really wishing no one else had to do the same, so I could read their lips since I'm hard of hearing.

But I'll still wear the mask, until the CDC says it's safe for the vast majority of people (around 80%, regardless of age) to not wear them. The CDC is saying it's safe for vaccinated people to not wear them. But MOST people are not fully vaccinated. And so as a precaution, no matter how unnecessary it is for ME, I'll continue. Your health is more important than my facial comfort.

And if you haven't gotten the virus yet and have shopped at Publix in the last year, you're welcome.

Very well said..

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by Looking for next wife

Welcome to the Freedom Cafe
We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask and in the same spirit of our individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer as they prepare and serve your food. We encourage our employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom but we do understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to infringe on their freedoms and tell them what to do.We understand that you may be used to and expect chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees, however, we do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a youtube video that says that 100 degrees is sufficient and we allow that because we do not want to encroach on their beliefs. Some servers may want to touch your food as they serve it and, as such, there is no reason a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. In the interest of freedom, we will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean. Water temperature and use of detergent are highly personal choices so we are allowing our dishwasher team to decide how they prefer to wash the silverware that you will be putting in your mouth. Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you will agree that it is a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do and especially not for the super silly reason of helping to keep complete strangers healthy.

Once we visited Heaven and Hell. They all had long chopsticks ( or forks ) that are too long to feed themselves.
In heaven, everyone fed complete strangers happily.
In hell, they are all suspicious of each other and try to intercept when someone try to feed someone else. All get hungry, angry and yes you are in HELL!

I am not sure the definition of freedom means what you said at the end.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by MSchad

CDC says you can still spread covid if vaccinated or not. So what is the point of a passport? Now if you couldn’t catch it or spread it, then that would be totally different.

That's interesting. CDC ALSO said that once inoculated, you can't give the virus to anyone. And folks wonder why we don't trust the gov to give us good information.


Many doctors argue that when you receive immunizations, you can't pass on the illness. CDC or some political hack for the CDC says to wear a mask. Who is correct? I figure that if I am going to go to the effort of getting two shots of a foreign substance injected into my body, I am going to consider myself protected and act according. I know that if I get it (according to advertising) I have a hundred percent assurance of not even having to go to the hospital, and I won't die. So, I am not telling anyone what they should do, but I know what I will do.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by MSchad

You can still expose others to the virus even after you are vaccinated. That is why they are saying you still have to wear the mask. Contracting it or not isn’t the question, it’s passing it on.

The doctors I listen to say that you cannot pass it on if you are immune to it. Who's right? Does it matter? If you get the vaccination, you won't have to worry about my passing it on to you.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

is that I sneeze and cough into my arm...take mine and my wife's temp every day and I don't go into crowded areas like the town squares or stores. I wash my hands frequently and carry hand sanitizer(75% alcohol)which I use after coughing, sneezing and handling objects others might have touched.

Nope...haven't got the vaccine yet(I'm 67...wife is 65). We don't plan to and I do not consider our decision to be NOT careful thinking or ourselves and others. Since you can still infect others if vaccinated I don't see the need for your comment. Especially since I view your posts as the most common sense and caring of all posters.

OK, I will try to explain why Not getting vaccinated COULD have deadly consequences to the entire human race. Fully vaccinated people have almost zero chance of spreading CV. The anti-vaxxers will be spreading it among themselves and children under 16 (until they can be vaccinated). This will allow the VIRUS to evolve or mutate into a POSSIBLY (?) greater KILLER of HUMANS. It COULD (?) evolve to the point that it can avoid our current vaccines. That would be a DISASTER. Nobody wants that dire situation. 80% of the people in the US COULD (?) have all their effort and expense to get vaccinated to be for NOTHING - because of the 20% of anti-vaxxers that would not be vaccinated. Then, the US deaths would possibly double to 1 MILLION. And people would start over needing a NEW vaccine. ALL anti-vaxxers should think long and hard about whether they want to treat themselves and their fellow citizens that callously! The shots are free to the patient and have few side effects or dangers - they are also readily available. Think about it!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

According to the CDC 87% of those who have been hospitalized or died from Covid were obese or overweight. Also according to the CDC, on average, those who died from Covid had 2.6 comorbidities. The most common being diabetes, lung disease, heart disease and hypertension. As someone who is not overweight and has none of the common preexisting conditions, my risk level is extremely low. Therefore I will most likely opt not to take the vaccine.

Not a good choice. Refer to my reasoning in a prior post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Or maybe lots of naive people. I wouldn't call taking an "experimental vaccine" that has caused the death of numerous healthy people and severe symptoms in many others to avoid a virus with a 99% recovery rate, particularly smart. To each his own. Guess i won't be attending any events that "require proof of vaccination".

Please read post #87

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Agreed. However, what is the percentage chance that you WILL contract the virus, and then what is the percentage that you will contract it and then also pass it on to another that won't "be so lucky?" The virus is now way over 99% survivable. The infection rate is based on positive test results, which are skewed by many factors. Return recipients of those being tested positive are counted as newly infected. There is evidence of many false positives also. Many deaths are labeled with a cause of death "with" covid, not death by covid. Stats can be deceiving, more as much as politics. And now, we have the promise of the "miracle" vaccine, so there is a 100% survival rate for those vaccinated.



The masks should come off. Those that won't or can't get the vaccination should protect themselves. The rest of us should go back to a normal lifestyle.

You just can't snap your fingers and WILL a "normal lifestyle". We have to WAIT and hope that enough people get vaccinated to achieve a risk-free herd immunity. The anti-vaxxers could upset the "normal lifestyle".