[kendi]

Originally Posted by doccraig

Anxious to see how this largest human trial in history pans out. Hopefully, there will be great data produced that is honestly presented. This is the hoped for long term study.

Agree. And it is a bit unnerving to be the guinea pig. Only reason husband and I got it is so we could could see/hold our new grand babies.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Probably the same percentage that used birth control.

Well that comment made no sense...not unless you want to stir a pot on this thread , otherwise not appropriate.

[Looking for next wife]

Welcome to the Freedom Cafe
We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask and in the same spirit of our individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer as they prepare and serve your food. We encourage our employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom but we do understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to infringe on their freedoms and tell them what to do.We understand that you may be used to and expect chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees, however, we do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a youtube video that says that 100 degrees is sufficient and we allow that because we do not want to encroach on their beliefs. Some servers may want to touch your food as they serve it and, as such, there is no reason a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. In the interest of freedom, we will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean. Water temperature and use of detergent are highly personal choices so we are allowing our dishwasher team to decide how they prefer to wash the silverware that you will be putting in your mouth. Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you will agree that it is a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do and especially not for the super silly reason of helping to keep complete strangers healthy.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Girlcopper

Thats fine. Your choice. Just stay far away from me

Really?!? If you’ve been vaccinated why are you worried about my proximity to you???

[GrumpyOldMan]

Because an individual has ignored all advice from experts and has not died of COVID does not mean they are right, it just means they have been lucky.

I just got back from 3 weeks in Ecuador, and the difference between here and there is incredible. I stayed in Cuenca and ate out most of the time I was there. The reason, I did was the precautions I saw in place. In 3 weeks in a large city I saw maybe 3 or 4 people without masks on, and they appeared to be American/European tourists. EVERY store you enter has a door mat with disinfectant to wide your feet as you go into the store. Every store/restaurant has a person that sprays your hands and most also take your temperature, as you enter. If it is a restaurant, when you get to your table they spray or wipe down the table. All tables are at social distancing separation. If you hang around and people leave, you will see their tables be disinfected when they leave. Almost everywhere you you go there are disinfectant dispensers by doors, on sidewalks etc. for public use.

All of those precautions are inexpensive, and easy to implement. None of them guarantee you won't get COVID, but every little bit helps. But I think even more importantly, everyone seemed to want to help, to do what they could to help. The attitude was NOT they were being forced to do these things, it was they wanted to help each other.

Which is the point.

It seems so many people here are of the opinion the if there isn't a perfect solution/protection, they are not going to do anything. They feel that if anyone or the government suggests anything to help, they are going instantly into anger mode and refusing just on principle - no one is taking away their rights. Instead of asking, "What I can do to help", the attitude here, "I can do anything I want - I have my rights!"

With COVID, all the precautions, distancing, masks, washing hands, etc. all help. None are perfect, but they help. They are easy, they are a way each of us can show we care about each other.

In Ecuador there were no visible arguments about wearing masks, EVERYONE (99.9%) just did it. Everyone (99.9%) thank store employees for disinfecting customer hands and taking temperatures.

It's sad we hate each other so much.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Well that comment made no sense...not unless you want to stir a pot on this thread , otherwise not appropriate.

Birth control is a way to control the outcome as to what happens to you.

Birth control is used by people who think of how things are and make plans and are careful about choices.

When our grandchildren became teens I told them three things every time I was with them;

Don't drink and drive.
Don't have unprotected sex.
Save your money.

Getting vaccinated from a virus that has killed millions of people in this world seems like it fits in there with my list.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by bobdeb

And maybe we'll get to do it all over again in 6 months?

So be it. We'll still be alive and well.

[davem4616]

my guess is something north of 80%

[cherylncliff]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Might even be 90%. Happy to see clubs and other activities reopening.

Went to a club breakfast just over a week ago and you had to tell the organizer you have the vaccine before being ok to go. Was very happy to see that.

Based on the governors executive order, that was probably illegal for them to ask if you had been vaccinated as a condition of entry.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

It looks as if the USA will be added to the list of those countries mandating a "burqa" in the near future. Hmm, I wonder if an additional mask is required of those wearing the traditional "burqa."
Conspiracy theory?
Conspiracy: "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."
What difference does it make on stats that tell us how many are inoculated, when the information provides no value as to when or how we will ever get back to the norm? When is ENOUGH really considered ENOUGH?

Well, if it meant that we were all safe, I’d wear a tent personally. Survival of the fittest ... in our case fittest of the mind.

I know members of the nudist colony would not likely agree with me, but I still have a hard time with understanding why people who wear socks, or other clothing regularly, seem so concerned about face masks. And then when it comes to skiing and cold they have no concerns.

[stebooo]

I'm still waiting for a call back from Walgreens.

[bobdeb]

Interesting...

[popbaby2]

Originally Posted by Mortal1

is that I sneeze and cough into my arm...take mine and my wife's temp every day and I don't go into crowded areas like the town squares or stores. I wash my hands frequently and carry hand sanitizer(75% alcohol)which I use after coughing, sneezing and handling objects others might have touched.

Nope...haven't got the vaccine yet(I'm 67...wife is 65). We don't plan to and I do not consider our decision to be NOT careful thinking or ourselves and others. Since you can still infect others if vaccinated I don't see the need for your comment. Especially since I view your posts as the most common sense and caring of all posters.

Im curious. Why not get the vaccine?

[popbaby2]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Really?!? If you’ve been vaccinated why are you worried about my proximity to you???

Because it is 95% effective. You can still give it to me. I will probably not die but i can pass it on. And that person may die. You are being selfish.

[Looking for next wife]

Check Ted Nugent situation today. Hilarious.

Lots of the vaccine naysayers and Covid naysayers have caught it and died, always begging for their followers to change their minds just before they went saying they were wrong. I think he also asked why we never heard of the first 18 Covids and only the 19th. Lol.

Possibly not a Harvard MBA.