[RichieLion]

I would like a link to the "Tea Party Cheerleader??" story. How come links to other stories and not one about this "Villages story"??

A little validation, please. There is no link I can find on this "news story".

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I would like a link to the "Tea Party Cheerleader??" story. How come links to other stories and not one about this "Villages story"??

A little validation, please. There is no link I can find on this "news story".

Richie, how long can you hold your breath for?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I would like a link to the "Tea Party Cheerleader??" story. How come links to other stories and not one about this "Villages story"??

A little validation, please. There is no link I can find on this "news story".

She is a very visible Tea Party member who has appeared many times in The Villages Daily Sun either in terms of "Letters to the Editor" or in stories about her, her politics, or some of her other interests.

Of course, the vacuum cleaner story is from a very reliable source. Her. I know her personally. That is not something you would see in a newspaper. Definitely not one like the Villages Daily Sun though which highlights Tea Party views.

[billethkid]

If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace.

It has been proven time and time again.

btk

[BobKat1]

I'm convinced there should be a forum dedicated to the cw discussion. It will go on forever. For every pro-gun fact/point/list one can make a compelling anti-gun fact/point/list. To date I haven't seen anyone change their position.

[Figmo Bohica]

Myth: Gun registration works

Fact: Not in New Zealand. They repealed their gun registration law in the 1980s after police acknowledged its worthlessness.

Fact: Not in Australia. “It seems just to be an elaborate system of arithmetic with no tangible aim. Probably, and with the best of intentions, it may have been thought, that if it were known what firearms each individual in Victoria owned, some form of control may be exercised, and those who were guilty of criminal misuse could be readily identified. This is a fallacy, and has been proven not to be the case.” And this costs the Australian taxpayers over $200 million annually.

Fact: Not in Canada.

• More than 20,000 Canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms. Many others are silently ignoring the law.
• The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws right back into Ottawa's lap, throwing the Canadian government into a paper civil war.
• And all at a cost more than 1,646% the original projected cost (the original cost was estimated at 5% of all police expenditures in Canada). "The gun registry as it sits right now is causing law abiding citizens to register their guns but it does nothing to take one illegal gun off the street or to increase any type of penalty for anybody that violates any part of the legislation," according to Al Koenig, President, Calgary Police Association. "We have an ongoing gun crisis, including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them", according to Toronto police Chief Julian Fantino .
• The system is so bad that five Canadian provinces (British Columbia joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia, and Ontario) are refusing to prosecute firearm owners who fail to register.
• A bill to abolish the registry has been tabled (introduced) in the Canadian parliament which, if passed, would eliminate the registry completely.

Fact: Not in Germany. The Federal Republic of Germany began comprehensive gun registration in 1972. The government estimated that between 17,000,000 and 20,000,000 guns were to be registered, but only 3,200,000 surfaced, leaving 80% unaccounted for.

Fact: Not in Boston, Cleveland, or California. These cities and states require registration of “assault weapons.” The compliance rate in Boston and Cleveland is about 1%. California originally had a 90% non-compliance rate.

Fact: Criminals don’t register their guns.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by billethkid

If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace.

It has been proven time and time again.

btk

Once more, quoting the late, great Harry Morgan as Col. Sherman T. Potter - "MEADOW MUFFINS!"

[billethkid]

look it up and prepare to be surprised!!!

btk

[paulandjean]

Or you can look at it this way,If Travon Martin had a gun he might be alive today.

[buggyone]

The only crimes I have heard of in 2.5 years in The Villages dealing with guns have been from "law abiding citizens" with guns. There was the former policewoman who shot her husband in the shower and 2 people have displayed their holstered guns during arguements in parking lots. I do not know of any other crime in The Villages involving guns in that time period. Did I miss any?

BTK seems to think that gun-totin' Villagers scare away violent criminals. I would ask BTK to prove that gun-totin' Villagers have kept violent criminals from The Villages. Not by a comparison of other countries or places but here in The Villages. Can't be proved, can it?

[billethkid]

not what I said but be happy in YOUR interpretation and thoughts.

Seems to me you overlook(ed) the millions that do it right in TV or any where else.

btk

[ProximaMan]

I wonder if those carrying weapons, who say they are protecting us all, would be willing to lay down their arms for an overnight and patrol on a citizens' watch.

That would protect us more, don't you think. And I don't mean the people who drive around for the developer, I mean a real volunteer citizens' crime watch.

Now that would be a service.

[graciegirl]

To me...IN THE VILLAGES at the present time. the status quo does not require any extra effort on the part of anyone for any further protection from harm except vehicular harm. To me it is being excessively fearful to carry guns here in this place at this time.

Sometimes this whole idea of guns being "insurance" against being harmed is a lot for me to accept. Sort of akin to having a double mastectomy at the age of 20 to prevent breast cancer.

Moderation and common sense and awareness and good choices and maintaining oneself in a respectful way towards others, including not taunting, escalating arguments and being patient with others foibles add to an atmostphere of peaceful living here. And if a person finds that his/her personality becomes irascible with the use of alcohol, than moderatie drinking is a good choice for those persons. If a person feels safer with doors and windows locked than lock them.

That is my opinion, and my summary of how things seem to be working based on my life experiences presently. That is what I have been taught that reasonable people do. If some of the very nice people that live here feel safer carrying guns, it is their right to do so, but I do not see the need.

I believe that people who think it is best to carry guns here are very sincere in their beliefs and I wonder if they ever, ever, think they could be mistaken. I reassess my beliefs frequently.

Now I am not a fool, and am able to change as times and realities change.

I have lived in areas all of my life that were not high crime. There was two murders in our old community in 40 years.. None in the one I lived in for the first 20 years of my life. My grandfather who raised me was a police officer. I know that others have had different life experiences. I have been very fortunate and very blessed.

I have also been madder than hell. It is wise for me not to carry a gun.

[paulandjean]

I think this posts is getting old.Lets move on!

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by paulandjean

I think this posts is getting old.Lets move on!

All posts get old! We all get old! If anyone would like to move on, please knock yourselves out. Nobody's holding anybody back!