[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Just in case none of you, which I believe you have not, read the statute on Florida's CWL (Concealed Weapons License).

To obtain one here in Florida you do not need to take a class, have any training, do anything at all, except have been issued a DD 214 from the military, taken a hunter safety class (where you need not fire a shot or even show that you know how to handle a firearm) or take a class from a NRA instructor who just wants to make a few bucks and then you can send it in for your permit. The classes at the gun shows are a joke. All they are after is your $$$$$$. Not knowning the law can get you in lots of trouble. Expecially here in Florida, which is not an open carry state, but is an open carry light state. Go read the statute, you will save yourself some embarrassment and a law suit.

Buggyone, for you information, you can see my concealed firearm all that you want, anytime that you want and as long as I don't present it in a threatening manner, you can only look at it and wish that you could not see it. If you should see it through my shirt, that's called imprinting, it is not against the law. Might make you nervious, but ole well, to bad, live with it. The jerks who showed their firearm in your examples above, offered it in a threatening manner and that is a 3d degree felony with the maximum sentence of 5 years. Florida mostly gives 3 years for that offense, just showing it in a threatening manner, and that is without good time or anything else that will take away from the 36 months. You do it all, then end up with a felony and lose all your rights to have any firearm. Draw it and wave it round, then figure on the whole 60 months.

One thing that Buggyone did point out, and I have been doing this for 40 plus years, is that there are some wanna bes out there. What's a wanna be, you ask? Well that is someone who wants to be a police officer, but can not cut the mustard, so they either become armed security guards or get a CWL. Then look for trouble. Most find it and some will end up in prison for being stupid in a No Stupid Zone.

So in closing, I can NOT fix STUPID, but I can cure ignorance, go take a class from a GOOD CWL instruction and stay away from the gun show or farmers market idiots. They only want you money.

Y'all have a nice day now, I just got back from a really fun 3 gun shoot.

So under Florida's stand your ground law, if you shoot and kill the person you can be home in time for dinner, but if you show your firearm in a threatening manner you would serve 36 months.

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by janmcn

So under Florida's stand your ground law, if you shoot and kill the person you can be home in time for dinner, but if you show your firearm in a threatening manner you would serve 36 months.

You need to get educated on the laws in Florida. That is not what I said. The "Stand Your Ground" law has specific things that have to happen before you can claim self defense.

With what is happening right now, it will take a court and jury to decide if "Stand Your Ground" applies. He was told not to follow the individual and if that is true and he stopped and Martin attacked him then it might apply, otherwise maybe not. But no one knows for sure what happened so until that is all that is sort out, it is best not to second guess what the out come will be.

I still say and teach all my students that the best defense is your cell phone and to be aware of your surrounds so that you don't get into a situation, if at all possible, where you will be required to "Stand Your Ground," and be forced to use deadly force.

Home invasions are different. If someone is breaking into your home and they know that you are home, they are not bringing you Easter eggs and a warm greeting. Defend your home, but when in public, be aware and avoid trouble, even if you have to cross the street. Using deadly force on someone is a life changing event. One that you will not like.

[Figmo Bohica]

paulandjean, you are right. Don't think that most ever had a fight in their life. If everyone I ever had a fight with shot me, I would have more lead in me that a lead mine. Sure glad that back in our days, you had a fight, shook hands and got back to playing. Same as if you spank your child now a days, why my mother would have been serving life. I always say my mom had the fastest hands in the west, smart mouth her, she could be peeling spuds, fatten you lip before you knew what happened and never miss a stroke with that peeler.

[Moderator]

Please try to stay on topic about generally carrying firearms in FL.

There are separate threads about the Trayvon Martin case...please post your related comments there.

10 recent posts related to Martin/Zimmerman have been moved to the "Trayvon Martin" thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by Moderator

Please try to stay on topic about generally carrying firearms in FL.

There are separate threads about the Trayvon Martin case...please post your related comments there.

10 recent posts related to Martin/Zimmerman have been moved to the "Trayvon Martin" thread.

Thank you for your cooperation.

As the original poster who started this thread, I requested that this thread be closed. Instead of closing this thread as I was requesting, my post indicating I was requesting the closing was one of the ones that got deleted! Why wasn't my request honored like it has been for others who have requested closing of their threads?

[billethkid]

my last post, related to concealed weapons carry was a commentary on buggyones response to my prior post also on concealed weapons carry.

btk

[billethkid]

I agree with skyguy the thread needs to be closed it has deteriorated to tit for tat nonsesense.

btk

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by skyguy79

As the original poster who started this thread, I requested that this thread be closed. Instead of closing this thread as I was requesting, my post indicating I was requesting the closing was one of the ones that got deleted! Why wasn't my request honored like it has been for others who have requested closing of their threads?

Why would you be asking that. Maybe the thread has moved beyond your original purpose, but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

Instead of campaigning for it's cessation, why not just ignore the conversation that you're no longer interested in, even if you started it. Isn't that what you would do at a party; just move on to another group?

Just a thought.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Why would you be asking that. Maybe the thread has moved beyond your original purpose, but that doesn't make it irrelevant.

Instead of campaigning for it's cessation, why not just ignore the conversation that you're no longer interested in, even if you started it. Isn't that what you would do at a party; just move on to another group?

Just a thought.

Richie, I explained my reason for requesting the closing of the thread, but he Moderator decided to delete it along with most of the out of topic posts and I don't care to discuss it any further. If what was being discussed is relevant, then as things stand now it can continue or a new thread can be started if this one gets closed as I requested!

[buggyone]

Like Richie said you can contribute to the thread or just let it go. Personally, I think that it has probably run it's course but if Richie or Figmo want to put their two cents in on their second amendment right, I have no problem with that.

With that, I would just like to ask either of them - or anyone else - if they think it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol while in The Villages?

What makes you personally feel it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

[Jack88]

Originally Posted by buggyone

What makes you personally feel it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

What makes you personally feel it isn't necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Like Richie said you can contribute to the thread or just let it go. Personally, I think that it has probably run it's course but if Richie or Figmo want to put their two cents in on their second amendment right, I have no problem with that.

With that, I would just like to ask either of them - or anyone else - if they think it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol while in The Villages?

What makes you personally feel it is necessary to carry a concealed pistol in The Villages?

I don't have an opinion on right to carry in The Villages. But, I've met Figmo and if anyone is going to carry in The Villages, Figmo is the last person I would worry about. No one is more diligent than Figmo is the promotion of safety in the handling of arms.

If you would take lessons from Figmo in the proper handling and safeguarding of the weapons you own, I would have no problem in you carrying either.

It's all in the training.

[Figmo Bohica]

Thank you Richielion, like I always try to get across, your best line of protection is avoidance, deterance and then when you have to draw, it should be your cell phone,. Let the professionals (police officers) handle the situation and you should be the best witness that you can to the situation your are observing.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I don't have an opinion on right to carry in The Villages. But, I've met Figmo and if anyone is going to carry in The Villages, Figmo is the last person I would worry about. No one is more diligent than Figmo is the promotion of safety in the handling of arms.

If you would take lessons from Figmo in the proper handling and safeguarding of the weapons you own, I would have no problem in you carrying either.

It's all in the training.

Richie, I did not question the RIGHT to carry a concealed weapon in The Villages. I asked for reasons that someone feels it is necessary to carry a concealed weapon in The Villages.

Your post was very good about Figmo and I am looking forward to meeting him. His posts about usage of guns even though you have a license are excellent.

[Figmo Bohica]

buggyone, when we are sitting down having a cold one, I will explain to you why it is necessary to carry at all times if that is how you feel. I for one never let anyone know when I am carrying or not. It is called a concealed weapon for a reason and I keep that in mind. But I will tell you how to tell if I am carrying or not. Deal??????