[BobKat1]

Originally Posted by paulandjean

I think this posts is getting old.Lets move on!

When the posts start getting longer and longer with more facts, quotes, links etc. you know the discussion has just about run its course.

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by billethkid

If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace.

It has been proven time and time again.

btk

Originally Posted by buggyone

Once more, quoting the late, great Harry Morgan as Col. Sherman T. Potter - "MEADOW MUFFINS!"

Buggy, do you really think it would not affect crime statistics if the criminal element could be assured that the law abiding populace was reliably unarmed?

It seems an extremely naive belief to me. But, if you really believe that, I have something for you. I've posted it before. Be the first on your block to public make this statement, since your belief is that such a policy wouldn't increase crime.

Put this sign in the front window of your home.

I'll publicly applaud you for your courage if you do so.

[buggyone]

Make up your mind, BTK.

First, you said, "If guns were not in the equation one thing is absolutely for certain. The quiet in TV that we all love and claim here would be threatened. Once the criminal element finds out there is no threat from guns from the law abiding residents....crime WILL go up....break ins will INCREASE. That is not just for TV it is for anyplace."
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I came back with "BTK seems to think that gun-totin' Villagers scare away violent criminals."
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BTK replied. "not what I said but be happy in YOUR interpretation and thoughts."
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Well, what is it? Do the gun-totin' Villagers scare away violent criminals and we all have you and the other gun toters to thank and can you prove that The Villages would be crime-ridden and a fearful place if Villagers did not carry guns at the town squares - and probably in bars where they are illegal?

[buggyone]

Richie,

Thanks for the sign. Unfortunately, my printer is out of colored ink right now.

I know you do not have to worry about break-ins at Casa de Richie with your attack cat, Rusty, on duty.

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Richie,

Thanks for the sign. Unfortunately, my printer is out of colored ink right now.

I know you do not have to worry about break-ins at Casa de Richie with your attack cat, Rusty, on duty.

True, but not everyone has a fearless feline of Rusty's caliber

[billethkid]

I don't have to make up my mind to make what I intended fit your purpose.

If you don't get it or choose not to get it (bingo!!), as I said, be happy in your thoughts....as incorrect as they may be!!

Repitition no matter what sounds like an oh so familiar tactic!

btk

[buggyone]

"Repitition no matter what sounds like an oh so familiar tactic!"

So is "NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION!"

[Figmo Bohica]

Buggyone, How would this one work for you?

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

True, but not everyone has a fearless feline of Rusty's caliber

Ut-oh! Remind me to never let my kitty go out on a date with Rusty!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Buggyone, How would this one work for you?

Well ...you sure as heck are gonna get a fine from ARC. No signs allowed in yards without their approval south of 466. ...But maybe they'll approve this one. I haven't seen one like it so far.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by buggyone

In those cases mentioned, if the homes did not have guns in them - would the situation have occured? Would the wife have stabbed her husband in the shower? Would the suicides have taken place with other means? Would the display of a rolled up pair of dirty socks intimidate someone in a parking lot?

Take guns out of the equation and the situation just might turn out a lot different.

11,439 people died from guns in 2009. That is small compared to so many other things that kill people like cars, shower stalls, alcohol, etc. . Doctors kill over 200,000 people a year. Large numbers for cars and even falls in shower stalls. Let's ban them all. On average 2500 college students die annually from suicide and alcohol abuse. 10-12 die from gunshots. A perfect example of an uninformed society finding it easier to focus on guns rather than the much bigger issues and causes of death.

England took guns out of the equation and then tried to take out knves as evil people simply switched to them. Next they will be outlawing axes and then rocks. Humans have killed a lot more people before the invention of guns then after. Guns may make it a little easier but they do not get rid of bad intentions, only the methods used o carry them out.

If anyone cannot spot at least one drunk person per night in the Town Squares they are a perfect example of wearing blinders. TV has a drinking culture similar to most vacation spots. It is naive to think that not one person per night gets drunk in the town squares. Of course, the drinkers I know define drunk differently than I do. Apparently slurred speech and hanging all over people is not drunk.


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[buggyone]

Vinny, nowhere have I said guns should be banned. I have said it is ridiculous to carry a concealed gun in The Villages. I have also said that the only gun crimes I know about in 2.5 years in The Villages have been committed by people with concealed gun licenses or at a private home where a gun was kept by the owner. There was also a suicide by gunshot and I assume it was a gun kept in the home.

Vinny, in an earlier post you had stated "... yet have to put up with drunks at the Town Squares whenever I go there at night." I do not know to what extent you "have to put up with drunks" and in your last post you had toned it down to seeing at least one drunk person at the Town Squares. Big difference between the sound of the two situations. Your first one makes it sound as though this is Spring Break at South Padre Island and the second sounds like Uncle Henry at the family reunion. Sure, there will a a few people who are tipsy. I have never seen a falling down drunk in The Villages - although I am sure it has happened. Neither here nor there about guns, though, unless the tipsy person has a gun!

If a person wants a gun in their own home - that is fine with me. If they are licensed to carry a concealed gun - that is fine with me as long as they do not display it in my presence or carry it in a prohibited place - but I think it is ridiculous to carry in The Villages.

No problem with Figmo or RichieLion poking a little fun with their signs. I know it is in the spirit of fun.

[billethkid]

"If a person wants a gun in their own home - that is fine with me. If they are licensed to carry a concealed gun - that is fine with me as long as they do not display it in my presence or carry it in a prohibited place - but I think it is ridiculous to carry in The Villages."

Those with permits do not "display" in anybody's presence.
Those with permits do not carry in prohibited places.
These comments exemplify lack of knowledge what the real permitted people know, do, don't do.

Just as police do not make a distinction of where to carry their weapon, folks with permits do not go through a process of well let me see I will be in TV so I can leave it home. Or I will be in Miami I better take it.

The old wives tales about people showing guns or taking them in places not allowed are non gun people sucking up the propaganda of the anti gun crowd.

What seems to be lacking in far too many folks loose understanding about gun ownership and concealed permitting or not is the fact there is more common sense to responsible gun ownership and concealed weapons permitting than the bias would seem to allow.

The other obvious trend is for these same people to completely ignore the statistics on the safety and prevention that in fact does come within a society that allows lawful ownership and carrying of weapons.

No intent ever meant to convince anybody to like or favor guns, gun ownership or any related subject matter. Just recognize the difference between opinion, bias and reality.....and what one does not know about the gun ownership community within the United States.

btk

[buggyone]

If BTK reads the Daily Sun, he will certainly recall a couple of weeks ago when a man displayed his gun openly (raised his shirt to show the gun) when he was in an arguement in a parking lot up by the bowling alley in Spanish Springs. That man was arrested on assault with a deadly weapon.

If BTK remembers about at Christmas time, another open display (jacket pulled wide open to show the gun) during an agruement over a parking space up by Cody's at Lake Sumter Landing. That man was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

Both of these hotheads had CCW permits. BTK's statement of: "Those with permits do not "display" in anybody's presence.
Those with permits do not carry in prohibited places.
These comments exemplify lack of knowledge what the real permitted people know, do, don't do" does not hold water. Sorry BTK.

BTK further went on to say, "Just as police do not make a distinction of where to carry their weapon, folks with permits do not go through a process of well let me see I will be in TV so I can leave it home. Or I will be in Miami I better take it." Well, BTK, you (or George Zimmerman) are NOT police officers. Why not say you will be in The Villages so I can leave the gun at home? You are going to be safe at the town squares during the entertainment.

[Figmo Bohica]

Just in case none of you, which I believe you have not, read the statute on Florida's CWL (Concealed Weapons License).

To obtain one here in Florida you do not need to take a class, have any training, do anything at all, except have been issued a DD 214 from the military, taken a hunter safety class (where you need not fire a shot or even show that you know how to handle a firearm) or take a class from a NRA instructor who just wants to make a few bucks and then you can send it in for your permit. The classes at the gun shows are a joke. All they are after is your $$$$$$. Not knowning the law can get you in lots of trouble. Expecially here in Florida, which is not an open carry state, but is an open carry light state. Go read the statute, you will save yourself some embarrassment and a law suit.

Buggyone, for you information, you can see my concealed firearm all that you want, anytime that you want and as long as I don't present it in a threatening manner, you can only look at it and wish that you could not see it. If you should see it through my shirt, that's called imprinting, it is not against the law. Might make you nervious, but ole well, to bad, live with it. The jerks who showed their firearm in your examples above, offered it in a threatening manner and that is a 3d degree felony with the maximum sentence of 5 years. Florida mostly gives 3 years for that offense, just showing it in a threatening manner, and that is without good time or anything else that will take away from the 36 months. You do it all, then end up with a felony and lose all your rights to have any firearm. Draw it and wave it round, then figure on the whole 60 months.

One thing that Buggyone did point out, and I have been doing this for 40 plus years, is that there are some wanna bes out there. What's a wanna be, you ask? Well that is someone who wants to be a police officer, but can not cut the mustard, so they either become armed security guards or get a CWL. Then look for trouble. Most find it and some will end up in prison for being stupid in a No Stupid Zone.

So in closing, I can NOT fix STUPID, but I can cure ignorance, go take a class from a GOOD CWL instruction and stay away from the gun show or farmers market idiots. They only want you money.

Y'all have a nice day now, I just got back from a really fun 3 gun shoot.