[UpsideDown]

Originally Posted by Sabella

Most people who are driving in the villages shouldn’t - let’s be honest about what aging does to a person‘s driving skills.

I'm 91 and I get around fine. I only hit the curb by the gate card reader so my mirror access card can be read. I don't think I ever hit anything that matters.

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2395852]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

But you forget, according to some on this thread, those Villagers driving 35.1 are CRIMINALS. Those driving golf carts at 20.1 are CRIMINALS. I suppose those who park over the line are CRIMINALS. The guillotine awaits.....

How about this for semantic nomenclature:

The term is not traffic crimes, it is traffic INFRACTIONS-----maybe we could designate those perpetrators as "infractors"

Likewise, the term is not parking crimes, but parking VIOLATIONS----we could call those people "violators", although that could have a much different connotation.

Already in place. And, obsession with the .1 mph gives us chain pullers a guide to over reactors.
The point is that a line has to be drawn somewhere. The line for general public safety was decided upon. Traffic laws are not written for the "best" drivers and cars, but for the average person/vehicle on the road. This is so the most people have the opportunity to us the highways our dollars pay for. It is for societies benefit, not the few that think the are superior. Driving is a PRIVILEGE, not your right. And no one has the right or privilege of breaking those laws. Not even a little. Like being a little bit pregnant. You either are, or you're not. No, .1 mph over is still over. If you are going err, err on the side of caution.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2395915]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Already in place. And, obsession with the .1 mph gives us chain pullers a guide to over reactors.
The point is that a line has to be drawn somewhere. The line for general public safety was decided upon. Traffic laws are not written for the "best" drivers and cars, but for the average person/vehicle on the road. This is so the most people have the opportunity to us the highways our dollars pay for. It is for societies benefit, not the few that think the are superior. Driving is a PRIVILEGE, not your right. And no one has the right or privilege of breaking those laws. Not even a little. Like being a little bit pregnant. You either are, or you're not. No, .1 mph over is still over. If you are going err, err on the side of caution.

Like I said, your guillotine awaits.....

But it doesn't have to be a line, it could be a sheet----carts at 20, over 25 and you're nailed, under 15 and you suck

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2395969]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Like I said, your guillotine awaits.....

But it doesn't have to be a line, it could be a sheet----carts at 20, over 25 and you're nailed, under 15 and you suck

You mean like in school, A, B, C, D all pass. F, but close gets a D-? Where does a D---- actually become an F? When the line is crossed? Yess it is a line. A fixed point where one exceeds the legal limit. Speed is controlled by the driver and exceeding the legal limit is a choice one makes. So the smart err on the side of caution.

My guillotine is mine, so I will be the one that pulls the lever. No fear! It only cuts carrots for snacks.

[Number 10 GI]

Watch a Twilight Zone episode named "The Obsolete Man", it takes place in a dystopian future. I won't try to give a condensed version of it as it would take too time and space, you need to watch it. My take on the story is something like, righteous legal systems always have to have someone to punish to prove their righteousness and sometimes even the righteous ones become the judged.

[jimhoward]

To paraphrase George Carlin: You know how bad the average driver is? Well half of drivers are even worse than that. I don't think cracking down on speeders would make much difference in reducing bad driving.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimhoward

To paraphrase George Carlin: You know how bad the average driver is? Well half of drivers are even worse than that. I don't think cracking down on speeders would make much difference in reducing bad driving.

Might reduce the severity of accidents and deaths. Also relevant is ones definition of good or bad as related to driving. My definition is that good drivers obey the laws, maintain proper space cushion, are aware of their surroundings, aim high in steering so they see well ahead so they can leave themselves an out if there is a traffic problem. They leave early so they will not feel pressed if they find heavy or slow traffic for unforseen reasons (accidents or construction).
Bad drivers speed, tailgate, cut off or block other drivers, let their frustration override their better judgement, try "teaching" other drivers a lesson (the only lesson they learn is that the would be teacher is a jerk), and generally think they are better than the laws.
Jmho.

On this Christmas eve, let me wish everyone a joyous and safe holiday.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

IF that is the case, I wonder how residents of the municipalities would feel about paying extra police to catch golf carts going 20.1 mph in the unincorporated areas, as suggested by some????? After all, all those people are "criminals"

They don't need police to catch golf carts going over 20.1. They need police to catch golf carts going over 25 on public roads, without registration or insurance. They need police to catch cars driving 40 on roads with 20mph posted speed limits. And cars driving 60 on roads with 35mph posted speed limits.

Right now they aren't catching many speeders, but there are plenty of speeders worth catching.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Might reduce the severity of accidents and deaths. Also relevant is ones definition of good or bad as related to driving. My definition is that good drivers obey the laws, maintain proper space cushion, are aware of their surroundings, aim high in steering so they see well ahead so they can leave themselves an out if there is a traffic problem. They leave early so they will not feel pressed if they find heavy or slow traffic for unforseen reasons (accidents or construction).
Bad drivers speed, tailgate, cut off or block other drivers, let their frustration override their better judgement, try "teaching" other drivers a lesson (the only lesson they learn is that the would be teacher is a jerk), and generally think they are better than the laws.
Jmho.

On this Christmas eve, let me wish everyone a joyous and safe holiday.

I definitely drive faster than the speed limit in my car, when possible. However, I also don't tailgate, don't cut people off, use my turn signals *correctly*, and avoid weaving in and out of traffic. If I get pulled over for speeding, I'll get a ticket. And I'll be polite to the police officer, and not blame him for doing his job. So far that's happened once in my life, I pleaded not guilty, and got the ticket nolled. It was a lesser violation "driving above the posted speed limit" which would've been a point against my license and a $300 fine. The cop didn't have a radar reading and didn't show up for my court date so they tossed it out and told me it never happened and to go home. I think I was doing 37 in a 30mph zone and the cop was returning to the station at the end of his shift and thought he'd get a quick "gotcha" for his quota or something. I didn't begrudge him but I knew I wasn't gonna have to pay so I just stayed polite and took the ticket.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They don't need police to catch golf carts going over 20.1. They need police to catch golf carts going over 25 on public roads, without registration or insurance. They need police to catch cars driving 40 on roads with 20mph posted speed limits. And cars driving 60 on roads with 35mph posted speed limits.

Right now they aren't catching many speeders, but there are plenty of speeders worth catching.

I agree except for the 20.1 golf carts. At 20.1 they need to be made to register as lsv and made to upgrade all safety equipment and registration. Appropriate fines for operating a non-registered lsv on public roads.
Wadaya think?
Merry/Happy/Joyous Whatever day. 😃🙃🫠😉

[Normal]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I agree except for the 20.1 golf carts. At 20.1 they need to be made to register as lsv and made to upgrade all safety equipment and registration. Appropriate fines for operating a non-registered lsv on public roads.
Wadaya think?
Merry/Happy/Joyous Whatever day. 😃🙃🫠😉

Merry Christmas!

Whatever rules we make for each other, we are sure to over complicate the whole matter. The perception of lax restrictions makes driving a golf cart fun. Wouldn’t the government just love to dive in and make rules and restrictions on golf cart drivers? It’s their job to remove the fun out of things.

Because it is Christmas, it reminds me of how countless priests and preachers have tried to complicate our free and eternal Gift. With no strings attached, we were given the greatest Gift of all with simplicity and purity. Then theologians all had to throw their rules in.

A golf cart registration would ruin the simplicity that makes it fun in the first place. Enjoy the season and ignore the rule makers.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I agree except for the 20.1 golf carts. At 20.1 they need to be made to register as lsv and made to upgrade all safety equipment and registration. Appropriate fines for operating a non-registered lsv on public roads.
Wadaya think?
Merry/Happy/Joyous Whatever day. 😃🙃🫠😉

Upgrade "safety" equipment?????

Here are the mechanical requirements from the Florida DMV for LSVs:

Headlamps;
Front and rear turn signals;
Stop lamps;
Tail lamps;
Reflex reflectors, red – one each side and one on the rear;
Exterior mirror on the driver side and an interior rear-view mirror or exterior mirror on passenger side;
Parking brake;
Windshield;
Seat belt for each designated seat; and a
Vehicle identification number (VIN).

Almost all Yamaha and other brand carts have all of these, THERFORE the only difference is paying the state their fee and the insurance companies their "cut". IT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY SINCE ALL I HAVE TO DO FOR MY 20 MPH CART IS PAY THE REGISTRATION FEE AND I CAN CRANK IT UP TO 25. THIS IS A FUNDRAISER PURE AND SIMPLE

PS: You asked what I thought, so that's on you.

PPS: MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Normal

Merry Christmas!

Whatever rules we make for each other, we are sure to over complicate the whole matter. The perception of lax restrictions makes driving a golf cart fun. Wouldn’t the government just love to dive in and make rules and restrictions on golf cart drivers? It’s their job to remove the fun out of things.

Because it is Christmas, it reminds me of how countless priests and preachers have tried to complicate our free and eternal Gift. With no strings attached, we were given the greatest Gift of all with simplicity and purity. Then theologians all had to throw their rules in.

A golf cart registration would ruin the simplicity that makes it fun in the first place. Enjoy the season and ignore the rule makers.

Not sure if you are recommending anarchy for society. That's what it sounds like. Personally, I don't think anarchy would work for a society of more than one.
Rules are made to keep everyone on the same page and to allow things to run smoothly. Rules are not, opposed to what some would like to believe, made to be broken.
Anyway, I do not propose golf cart registration. Only that golf carts be held to the standards that are for golf carts. Those carts that exceed what a golf cart can legally do be held accountable as LSVs, not Lsv in disguise.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

...
Rules are made to keep everyone on the same page and to allow things to run smoothly. Rules are not, opposed to what some would like to believe, made to be broken.
...

That's true in theory.

In practice, however, it appears that rules are made in such abundance that it is not possible to avoid breaking one. Whether that is by design or just happenstance, it works out well for law enforcement.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

That's true in theory.

In practice, however, it appears that rules are made in such abundance that it is not possible to avoid breaking one. Whether that is by design or just happenstance, it works out well for law enforcement.

Couldn't agree more

Current # of laws: Database Coverage: 4,160,185 laws and counting.

Amazing that God only needed 10