[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

EVERYBODY'S a good boy or girl in the world you describe. Big Brother makes sure of it.

Everybody except Big Brother. He and his pals can do as they please. They have immunity.

But seriously, wouldn't it be nicer if everyone got along together and treated all others with kindness and respect. Courtesy was automatic. People didn't take advantage of one another. Really lived their lives loving their fellow man. Not just pretending to while sitting in church for an hour or so, but 24/7/365. Sounds almost like Heaven.
But, we are, after all, merely clever apes with egos. Self entitled and self important until we die. And then??? 🙃🤔😶

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You are technically and semantically correct. Now, would you like to discuss how THE LAW classifies the severity of "crimes", or does anyone think murder is the same as driving a golf cart at 20.1 mph??? You cannot just lump all "crimes" together and label the perpetrators as "criminals" with all the connotations that entails.

Alternatively, just taking driving and parking alone, 99% of Villagers are "criminals".

Yes, you can.
Anyone who commits a crime is a criminal.
Not all crimes are equal in severity.
Punishment varies by severity of the crime.
Re-offenders are often given harsher punishments.
As driving a golf cart 20.1mph is illegal, one is a criminal. When one catches one going 19.9 mph, the criminal has no right to expect, demand, request special consideration of any kind from law abiding individuals. Criminals deserve only disdain for their failure to be law abiding citizens.
Simple.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Everybody except Big Brother. He and his pals can do as they please. They have immunity.

But seriously, wouldn't it be nicer if everyone got along together and treated all others with kindness and respect. Courtesy was automatic. People didn't take advantage of one another. Really lived their lives loving their fellow man. Not just pretending to while sitting in church for an hour or so, but 24/7/365. Sounds almost like Heaven.
But, we are, after all, merely clever apes with egos. Self entitled and self important until we die. And then??? 🙃🤔😶

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Yes, you can.
Anyone who commits a crime is a criminal.
Not all crimes are equal in severity.
Punishment varies by severity of the crime.
Re-offenders are often given harsher punishments.
As driving a golf cart 20.1mph is illegal, one is a criminal. When one catches one going 19.9 mph, the criminal has no right to expect, demand, request special consideration of any kind from law abiding individuals. Criminals deserve only disdain for their failure to be law abiding citizens.
Simple.

Wouldn't all that be nice. And everybody has the same assets, lives in identical housing, drives the same (electric and AI driven) car, has 2.2 children, follows the same religion and loves their neighbor.

Of course, one of Blouir's original 5 criteria for schizophrenia is poor reality testing

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

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This area seems to have quite the problem with child porn, drugs, assaults, and theft. I'm very much okay with the police giving those issues priority.

It really doesn't have "quite the problem." You just need to stop reading the online rag that only posts about the worst of society, and writes those "reports" with an anti-Villages slant.

In a week, there might be 10 of those crimes COMBINED committed within three counties. A lot of these crimes are even combination - two for one crimes. People shoplifting who are also in possession of illegal drugs. That seems to be the most common situation. Most of the assaults I've seen over "there" in the past month have involved seniors living in the same house having a fight with each other. There are enough OTHER things for police to do, that they don't all have to focus on those 10 crimes that week.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You are technically and semantically correct. Now, would you like to discuss how THE LAW classifies the severity of "crimes", or does anyone think murder is the same as driving a golf cart at 20.1 mph??? You cannot just lump all "crimes" together and label the perpetrators as "criminals" with all the connotations that entails.

Alternatively, just taking driving and parking alone, 99% of Villagers are "criminals".

Murder isn't happening here in this community every day. Speeders are. It's MUCH more likely (and profitable to the state) that a police officer would catch someone in the act of a traffic violation, than it is that they'd catch someone committing a murderer - in any given week. They don't have jurisdiction on the MMPs but they do on the roads that run throughout The Villages. And it's not just speeding golf carts. It's cars that run stop signs, not even with the pretense of slowing down. It's pedestrians that walk right into the street without looking both ways FIRST and then getting angry when a car almost runs them over because the car was ALREADY there in motion.

It's people on e-bikes that ride AGAINST traffic at speeds up to and sometimes even exceeding 30mph.

It's golf cart drivers who are on their phone on Del Mar, with their 10-year-old grandkid on their lap in the driver's seat, not paying any attention to the fact that Junior is about to steer over the curb and flip the whole cart over (I witnessed that - the woman in the passenger seat had to yell at them both to avoid what might've resulted in the death of their grandchild).

Golf cart drivers going over 19.8mph is not the problem. The sense of entitlement among people who do it - the attitude that the rules apply to thee, not me, is the problem. And as long as the rules are not enforced, it'll just get worse.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Wouldn't all that be nice. And everybody has the same assets, lives in identical housing, drives the same (electric and AI driven) car, has 2.2 children, follows the same religion and loves their neighbor.

Of course, one of Blouir's original 5 criteria for schizophrenia is poor reality testing

Blouir? Thinks he is so smart!
Anyway, I never claimed to be perfect. Just another nutty shaved ape that has a propensity for pulling chains from time to time.
And I don't believe we have to be clones in order to respect and appreciate our differences. For example, I'm having a couple of chili dogs and a beer for lunch. I don't know what you are having, but I hope you enjoy it, even if it's liver and onions with lima beans

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Alternatively, just taking driving and parking alone, 99% of Villagers are "criminals".

"Remember, the left lane is for crime."
-Phil Labonte

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Yes, you can.
Anyone who commits a crime is a criminal.

As driving a golf cart 20.1mph is illegal, one is a criminal.

Simple.

Simple nonsense. If you get a speeding ticket for going 5mph over the limit, do you have a criminal record? Requiring disclosure on a job application*?

*Yes, I am aware in many jurisdictions it is illegal to ask about prior criminality. Example to make a point.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Golf cart drivers going over 19.8mph is not the problem. The sense of entitlement among people who do it - the attitude that the rules apply to thee, not me, is the problem. And as long as the rules are not enforced, it'll just get worse.

Jerks are going to be rude. That's what makes them jerks. You can be going 20.1 and be respectful or going 15 and be dangerous and rude.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

It really doesn't have "quite the problem." You just need to stop reading the online rag that only posts about the worst of society, and writes those "reports" with an anti-Villages slant.

In a week, there might be 10 of those crimes COMBINED committed within three counties. A lot of these crimes are even combination - two for one crimes. People shoplifting who are also in possession of illegal drugs. That seems to be the most common situation. Most of the assaults I've seen over "there" in the past month have involved seniors living in the same house having a fight with each other. There are enough OTHER things for police to do, that they don't all have to focus on those 10 crimes that week.

Instead of simply repeating old criticisms, you might want to take a look at that online rag every once in a while. Their reporting is based on police reports which largely involve non-Villagers, comments and actions from the various CDD meetings (both positive and negative), and POA information (rarely positive). The only anti-Villager slant I see comes from the POA contributions and the letters to the editor which are also largely Villagers.

If we Villagers didn’t complain so much the all that online rag would have to report is the police activity.

If the police activity being reported is dealing with the worst of society, are those the same officers you would like to refocus on more important matters such as those traveling 60mph in a 25mph zone? (BTW: where is this 25mph zone? I can’t think of any but I would like to see the 60mph traffic there).

I’ll repeat that I’m okay with the police focusing on what they currently are.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Simple nonsense. If you get a speeding ticket for going 5mph over the limit, do you have a criminal record? Requiring disclosure on a job application*?

*Yes, I am aware in many jurisdictions it is illegal to ask about prior criminality. Example to make a point.

You know what would make a great project: Do 24/7 surveillance on the "holier than thou every traffic violation is a criminal offense" crowd and see how often THEY go 20.1 or faster in a golf cart, go 30.1 or faster in a 30 zone, don't come to a complete and total stop at a stop sign, fail to cross at a crosswalk or intersection or fail to yield the right of way when required to BY THE LAW THAT WOULD THEN LABEL THEM CRIMINALS

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Instead of simply repeating old criticisms, you might want to take a look at that online rag every once in a while. Their reporting is based on police reports which largely involve non-Villagers, comments and actions from the various CDD meetings (both positive and negative), and POA information (rarely positive). The only anti-Villager slant I see comes from the POA contributions and the letters to the editor which are also largely Villagers.

If we Villagers didn’t complain so much the all that online rag would have to report is the police activity.

If the police activity being reported is dealing with the worst of society, are those the same officers you would like to refocus on more important matters such as those traveling 60mph in a 25mph zone? (BTW: where is this 25mph zone? I can’t think of any but I would like to see the 60mph traffic there).

I’ll repeat that I’m okay with the police focusing on what they currently are.

Other than the 15mph signs between the softball field and Wales Place, the Historic Section's posted speed limit is 25mph.

If there are 25 police officers on duty within the three-county area between 8am and 4pm on a random Tuesday, and only 4 "really bad crimes" being committed on that day in that 3-county area, then it's safe to assume that at least 5 of those police officers could be spending their time pulling people over for speeding and other traffic violations. The other 20 can handle those 4 "really bad crimes" just fine.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Other than the 15mph signs between the softball field and Wales Place, the Historic Section's posted speed limit is 25mph.

If there are 25 police officers on duty within the three-county area between 8am and 4pm on a random Tuesday, and only 4 "really bad crimes" being committed on that day in that 3-county area, then it's safe to assume that at least 5 of those police officers could be spending their time pulling people over for speeding and other traffic violations. The other 20 can handle those 4 "really bad crimes" just fine.

Or alternatively, the presence of those "extra" 5 officers might be preventing "really bad crimes" rather than looking for minor traffic violations

[Happydaz]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

You know what would make a great project: Do 24/7 surveillance on the "holier than thou every traffic violation is a criminal offense" crowd and see how often THEY go 20.1 or faster in a golf cart, go 30.1 or faster in a 30 zone, don't come to a complete and total stop at a stop sign, fail to cross at a crosswalk or intersection or fail to yield the right of way when required to BY THE LAW THAT WOULD THEN LABEL THEM CRIMINALS

I agree with you. Most of the “it’s the rule” people I have known will break the rules themselves when they see it to be in their interest and don’t like anyone pointing it out. They try to be sneaky about it and will not admit they broke one of the rules. We all know people like that.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

I agree with you. Most of the “it’s the rule” people I have known will break the rules themselves when they see it to be in their interest and don’t like anyone pointing it out. They try to be sneaky about it and will not admit they broke one of the rules. We all know people like that.

Yes. Aren't people wonderful?

Well, maybe we are, sometimes.