[tucson]

Suppose it was a woman instead of a man in this case, meaning the woman being a neighborhood watch person and did took the same actions as Zimmerman did, she followed Martin and ultimately was attacked , beated on the face and head, etc, etc. and she shot him the same way as GZ in self defense. Do you think she would've been arrested for murder with the whole country watching all over the media networks?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by tucson

Suppose it was a woman instead of a man in this case, meaning the woman being a neighborhood watch person and did took the same actions as Zimmerman did, she followed Martin and ultimately was attacked , beated on the face and head, etc, etc. and she shot him the same way as GZ in self defense. Do you think she would've been arrested for murder with the whole country watching all over the media networks?

Interesting question. The woman's height, weight, personality, etc. would also need to be put into the equation too though as this could have been a woman like some martial arts champion or pro wrestler. I know a lot of women who could hold their own in most physical confrontations without having to use a firearm, knife, etc.

I am very interested in finding out the trajectory of the bullet from Zimmerman's gun and the like. Was the bullet recovered? Was there a shot into the ground?

[Buffalo Jim]

Mr. Z was not standing or walking between Mr. M and Mr. M`s local residence . Mr. M could have just increased his walking speed and gone quickly inside if he was concerned about his safety .
As it has been presented Mr. M had to turn and transport himself in the opposite direction of his travel in order to place himself in arms length of Mr. Z .
I think that action by Mr. M is what one would call a " Confrontation "on the part of Mr. M .

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Monkei

It is in the record now, but when Zimmerman was following him he had no idea of it. Like I said if it was a black dude following you in the dark you would be concerned. Why isn't you cannot agree that Martin could feel the same way.

So here is what I don't get. Paula Deen has been crucified for using the N word and TM was concerned that a Cracker was following him hence GZ was profiling Martin because he was a black man but no one seems to think that the use of the term Cracker was a racist statement by Martin. I have no idea whether GZ is guilty or not but somehow I am certain that I see a double standard here. You may not agree but please just give it a little consideration.

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by Monkei

How can anyone even think this guy is a hero of some kind? He is a poster boy for gun control. Stupid incompetent rule breaking citizens like him should be out bowling or something and not patrolling the streets with a hand gun looking for an excuse to use it.

I have to agree, he is a poster boy for gun control.
Gun control is hitting your target on the first shot, I believe he did that.

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by Patty55

huh?

[buggyone]

Maybe I have watched too many Perry Mason shows but it strikes me as very strange that when Joe Manalo came out to see what was happening and sees Zimmerman stand up - Zimmerman immediately asks Manalo if he is bleeding - and Manalo takes a couple of photographs showing a swollen nose and bleeding scratches on his head.

Why did Manalo do that instead of immediately calling 911 himself even though Zimmerman supposedly was on the phone to 911? Police had not arrived yet. Plenty of time for injuries to be conjured up?

[DougB]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Maybe I have watched too many Perry Mason shows but it strikes me as very strange that when Joe Manalo came out to see what was happening and sees Zimmerman stand up - Zimmerman immediately asks Manalo if he is bleeding - and Manalo takes a couple of photographs showing a swollen nose and bleeding scratches on his head.

Why did Manalo do that instead of immediately calling 911 himself even though Zimmerman supposedly was on the phone to 911? Police had not arrived yet. Plenty of time for injuries to be conjured up?

I agree Mr. Buggy. Why was he taking pictures of Zimmerman instead of seeing if he could do anything to help Martin?

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by DougB

I agree Mr. Buggy. Why was he taking pictures of Zimmerman instead of seeing if he could do anything to help Martin?

Wow, these guys are good! Two perfect strangers meet after an horrific experience and manage to concock a conspiracy to cover up a murder in all of a couple of minutes. Then Manuello creates the injuries to Zimmerman and evades the view of the eye witnesses while doing so. How clever!

[DougB]

Everything Joe Manalo did was strange.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by NJblue

Wow, these guys are good! Two perfect strangers meet after an horrific experience and manage to concock a conspiracy to cover up a murder in all of a couple of minutes. Then Manuello creates the injuries to Zimmerman and evades the view of the eye witnesses while doing so. How clever!

Everything Joe Manalo did was strange.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by DougB

Everything Joe Manalo did was strange.

I'll grant you that, but to be part of a conspiracy that can be cooked up in a matter of a couple of minutes and hidden from eye witnesses is in tin foil hat land.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Maybe I have watched too many Perry Mason shows but it strikes me as very strange that when Joe Manalo came out to see what was happening and sees Zimmerman stand up - Zimmerman immediately asks Manalo if he is bleeding - and Manalo takes a couple of photographs showing a swollen nose and bleeding scratches on his head.

Why did Manalo do that instead of immediately calling 911 himself even though Zimmerman supposedly was on the phone to 911? Police had not arrived yet. Plenty of time for injuries to be conjured up?

Wow you figured that out -- would you like to buy a bridge in Brooklyn - i have one for sale

[nitehawk]

The book by Robert Zimmerman, Sr., available on Amazon for the low, low price of just $3.99, “describes how and why my son, George Zimmerman, has been charged with the crime of murder,”

[Maryland Girl]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Maybe I have watched too many Perry Mason shows but it strikes me as very strange that when Joe Manalo came out to see what was happening and sees Zimmerman stand up - Zimmerman immediately asks Manalo if he is bleeding - and Manalo takes a couple of photographs showing a swollen nose and bleeding scratches on his head.

Why did Manalo do that instead of immediately calling 911 himself even though Zimmerman supposedly was on the phone to 911? Police had not arrived yet. Plenty of time for injuries to be conjured up?

When the State was questioning Mr. Manalo they asked him to repeat what Mr. Zimmerman said to him upon coming face-to-face. To paraphrase, the State said, 'Did Mr. Zimmerman say he had shot someone and asked you to call his wife?" Mr. Manalo responded, 'yes,' but added 'I was defending myself.' Mr. Manalo went further and said Mr. Zimmerman said, 'I was defending myself and shot someone. Call my wife.' The word 'defending' could have taken Mr. Manalo's thought processes down a different road entirely. He didn't call 911 immediately because Mr. Zimmerman said he had already called 911. In other words, Mr. Zimmerman called 911 immediately upon getting up and before Mr. Manalo arrived on the scene. This was corroborated by the playback of this 911 call from Mr. Zimmerman.