[njbchbum]

ijusluvit - i have followed your posts and am having a hard time finding out where you have cited any facts from the case - could you please point them out again? thanx

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Kelsie52

We talk about facts and evidence --

There was no "evidence" that GZ started the altercaton
There was lots of evidence the GZ was taking a beating .

GZ did nothing illegal by following TM --we will never know who did what

Some facts from the people that were there:
All the Police officers believed GZ acted in self defense (you could tell by their testimony)
The Chief of Police was fired because he failed to arrest GZ
The DA refused to prosecute

The case never went to Grand Jury to hear the evidence --because they knew they would not call for any action and were afraid of an uprising

The IT person who found some evidence on TM phone and came forward after the prosecuters faild to notify the defense about the discovery was fired
SIX jurors could not find enough evidence to convict.

The system worked

GZ was found not guilty --not innocent --none of us are !!

It is a shame that TM died --it could have been averted with a little communication--- instead of a lot of tough guy stuff

Excellent post.

[Jim&Fran]

Some of you people are as blind as LADY JUSTICE.
This case was decided due to lack of evidence by the state.
Maybe it was the calls to 911 that indeed worked in favor for GZ, including the screams.
If there was one more call to 911 that night the Circus Trial would never have taken place.
Which call do you ask? The call TM should have made himself with cell phone in hand.
He should have hung up on his "friend" and reported to the 911 operator that he was being followed by a "creepy-ass cracker" or better still he could have just said he was being stalked.
Maybe with that 4 minute long time period he could have ducked behind a bush or wall and made that call. What really happened was that this slick street kid was prepared to confront and challenge GZ.
TMs friend testified that she thought "it" would just be a fight and he would call her back.
Was she alarmed? Nah......
TM also referred to GZ as.... "The N----- is still following me". (scared child?)
He confronted GZ and did pop him in the nose, I believe GZ may have tried to flee. That's why his flashlight was a distance away from the area of the shooting. TM wanted GZ to remember him so he got him down, straddled him and began to wail away. GZ screamed for help for almost 40 seconds.
Who knows when TM would have stopped his assault.
I watched every minute of testimony in this case and in my opinion the jury got it right.
GZ openly talked with the police on several occasions without representation the next day.
Two statements to the police the next day during the walk through really made my mind up. GZ said that he was screaming loud while he was being punched in the head while on his back. When the lead detective tried to trick him by saying "there's a good chance that we have this all on video" GZ said "I hope so, thank God".
GZ did not confront a vandal or burgler that night, he had the misfortune to meet a punk with a bad attitude. For TM it was just going to be another ass whopping to tell his cousin.
Now all we hear is a child going home with skittles was gunned down by a wanna-be cop.
Things are never going to change in America.
Personally, I've been there and done that......

[patfla06]

Originally Posted by NJblue

I see a lot of posts saying that they were relieved and that the system worked. Did it? I happen to agree with what Mark O'Mara said last night: two aspects of the sysytem failed George Zimmerman. First, the media failed in its responsibility to objectively report the news and instead was used as a powerful tool of the professional rable rousers like Al Sharpton. I must admit, I too fell for this initially. I saw the distorted, one-sided reports and was convinced that Zimmerman had preyed on an innocent teenager.

Secondly, and most importantly, the legal system failed George Zimmerman. I'm sure he felt like he didn't do anything wrong and that the system would work and never press charges against him. Little did he know that our legal system no longer works like the blindfolded symbol that is used to porturay it. He didn't realize that when politics get involved and people like Angela Corey get involved, your rights are thrown away and power of the state can marshalled against you with no attempt of giving you any benefit of the doubt.

Ultimately, the system did work - but only after successfully destroying a person whose primary motivation was nothing more than helping keep his neighborhood safe.

Great post - agree totally.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Are you suggesting that some force compelled Mr Zimmerman to become involved in this incident?

If so, what was that?

Zimmerman decided to follow Martin and that was a mistake. Then he was told to stop following him by the police dispatcher so he complied with those instruction. Mistake rectified. Now a whole new scenario takes place.

Isn't it interesting that the NAACP and those other groups who are asking the justice department to open a case keep using the term that Zimmerman "stalked and killed him".

I have to believe that they know that this is simply not the case and that that language is meant to inflame the situation.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by Jim&Fran

Some of you people are as blind as LADY JUSTICE.
This case was decided due to lack of evidence by the state.
Maybe it was the calls to 911 that indeed worked in favor for GZ, including the screams.
If there was one more call to 911 that night the Circus Trial would never have taken place.
Which call do you ask? The call TM should have made himself with cell phone in hand.
He should have hung up on his "friend" and reported to the 911 operator that he was being followed by a "creepy-ass cracker" or better still he could have just said he was being stalked.
Maybe with that 4 minute long time period he could have ducked behind a bush or wall and made that call. What really happened was that this slick street kid was prepared to confront and challenge GZ.
TMs friend testified that she thought "it" would just be a fight and he would call her back.
Was she alarmed? Nah......
TM also referred to GZ as.... "The N----- is still following me". (scared child?)
He confronted GZ and did pop him in the nose, I believe GZ may have tried to flee. That's why his flashlight was a distance away from the area of the shooting. TM wanted GZ to remember him so he got him down, straddled him and began to wail away. GZ screamed for help for almost 40 seconds.
Who knows when TM would have stopped his assault.
I watched every minute of testimony in this case and in my opinion the jury got it right.
GZ openly talked with the police on several occasions without representation the next day.
Two statements to the police the next day during the walk through really made my mind up. GZ said that he was screaming loud while he was being punched in the head while on his back. When the lead detective tried to trick him by saying "there's a good chance that we have this all on video" GZ said "I hope so, thank God".
GZ did not confront a vandal or burgler that night, he had the misfortune to meet a punk with a bad attitude. For TM it was just going to be another ass whopping to tell his cousin.
Now all we hear is a child going home with skittles was gunned down by a wanna-be cop.
Things are never going to change in America.
Personally, I've been there and done that......

You ARE 100% right in every detail.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

I realize you don't appreciate my correcting you, but if you read my post again you might realize I used the word 'speculate' referring to another poster's comments.

Go ahead, read my comments again. Is it not obvious I have cited facts from the case to support my opinion that there is a flaw in the system?

Took your suggestion and reread the post, but still don't see any facts. I am very curious about folks that believe GZ was guilty as to exactly what evidence they are using to come up with this conclusion - other than speculation.

[OldManTime]

Our judicial system, although isn't perfect, is the best in the free world, and the outcome was correct, he was judged by his piers and they got it right. Now all the uneducated, unemployed, racist people that have nothing better to do, and want the line there pockets with more money, as donations pour in, will get there way.

[tucson]

Newt Gingrich has been making the rounds on the major networks and he's the only one that has the guts to tell it like it really is, that being , why isn't anyone making an issue out of blacks killing blacks! Why,why,why doesn't Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP care about that reality??

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by tucson

Newt Gingrich has been making the rounds on the major networks and he's the only one that has the guts to tell it like it really is, that being , why isn't anyone making an issue out of blacks killing blacks! Why,why,why doesn't Jackson, Sharpton, NAACP care about that reality??

Because it has NO political gain attached to it.

[gmcneill]

The concerns and complaints that Jackson et al have are that they believe that the system , generally speaking, is applied differently when the victim is African-American and the perpetrator is not.

That belief is why Jackson et al state that if the places were reversed- if TM was a white teenager and GZ was an African-American- that GZ would not have been presumed to have acted in self-defense and not charged with any crime but instead would have been arrested for murder, with the implication being that GZ would have been found guilty of murder or at least manslaughter.

The specific issue of black-on-black murder is a completely separate matter. I do not know of Jackson et al efforts regarding that issue. I presume that they have been, are, and will continue to be involved in addressing that and similar African-American centric issues. It's just that those efforts are conducted in a lower profile manner.

[gocubsgo]

I see this morning the DOJ is looking into the case now and is deciding whether to bring Federal charges against him. It never ends for this poor guy.

If George Zimmerman were black, this would not have even been mentioned.

[Jim&Fran]

Because Jackson, Sharpton and the NAACP can't reason with their own constituents.
As hard as they try they can't push through a wall of ignorance, so instead they keep pushing and shoveling their hatred through the mass media. Let's keep focusing on truth, it may be a frustrating battle but we have to be open, fair and honest.
Keep looking for answers to the killing/murder rate in Chicago.

[golf2140]

I didn't see alll this protesting when O.J. was found nor guilty. Nor did I see all this when Anthony was found not guilty!

[pooh]

And yet we keep this discussion going. Whether we like it or not, a trial was held, the defendant was found not guilty and the media and many others just keep it going and going and going. What do those who continue on want? Zimmerman dead? Don't say jail, I don't believe it for a second.

All we're now seeing is human "pack" mentality. We are human animals and join in just as easily as other beast when pack instincts take over.

I'm venting, too!