[mickey100]

Originally Posted by NJblue

There is no proof that Zimmerman was still following Martin, but even if there were, that is not against the law and given the type of questions being asked by dispatch, it would be understandable if he tried to keep an eye on where Martin was going. This is especially understandable if your community has been hit by a series of crimes and you have taken a leadership role in trying put a stop to it.

There is no crime in using an expletive, nor is there a crime in thinking that someone who is walking between houses on a dark, rainy night is up to no good.

There is no crime in having a loaded pistol in a firing position, nor does it in any way indicate the state of mind of Zimmerman, since it was clearly in that mode while he was on his way to Target.

There is no crime in using "police jargon" when describing a police event. One tends to talk in the jargon one knows and one which the audience is pressumed to use. A doctor, when talking to another doctor will likely use medical terminology. A lawyer will use lawyer talk, etc. Zimmerman had some course in criminal justice and at one time perhaps wanted to be a cop. Since when is having aspirations to help society the basis for guilt?

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None of those events are individually "crimes" but they obviously show his state of mind and begin to show a pattern. They become circumstantial evidence which can be of great value, for instance, in highlighting inconsistencies between Zimm's behavior and his allegations, thereby "filling in the blanks" of a crime scenario. It will be up to the jury to weigh all this evidence and decide if it is conclusive. Unfortunately, most criminal cases aren't black and white as far as DNA evidence and "smoking guns". Circumstantial evidence is often key. Look at the Scott Peterson trial. There was never any physical evidence they could tie to him, but the jury found him guilty based on his extramarital affairs and his demeanor.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Maybe GZ profiled TM as a criminal because, HELLOOO, he was. He assaulted an unarmed bus driver, he had been suspended from school for truancy and drugs. He was found with burglary tools and jewelry (that he was holding for a friend).

You forget that GZ's background was not exactly stellar, either. He could have had school suspensions in his past. Dunno. He had been in trouble with the police, but had worked through it.

TM did not have that chance. GZ had actually been charged; TM had not.

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by dillywho

You forget that GZ's background was not exactly stellar, either. He could have had school suspensions in his past. Dunno. He had been in trouble with the police, but had worked through it.

TM did not have that chance. GZ had actually been charged; TM had not.

You forget that TM was only 17, quite a resume for a 17 year old. The only reason we even know about these activities is from his (and his friends) bragging on facebook and twitter. There may be more out there, but as a YO they won't be revealed.

Did you know that Ms Fulton's cousin was killed during the commission of a crime under Stand Your Ground in 2009? Did you know the button on TM's hoodie was in support of that cousin? It seems to me that should have been a wake up call to improve your parenting skills-y'think.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What I see are opinions again lined up along political lines.

That is one thing I find disappointing as we age. We are ALL so biased and we do not seem to evaluate most things with an open mind like when we were younger.

I find it totally amazing and scary how correct you are.

These folks have been pulled into this by outside political influences.....minds were made up before any trial, and WILL NOT be changed no matter the evidence. These folks are stretching things so badly, it is scary.

THIS IS 100 PERCENT POLITICAL...period and end of that story.

All this discussion of evidence or lack there of is just an excuse to exercise your typing skills.

NOBODY seems to remember the genesis of this case at all. NOBODY cares about the main players and their history in these type of cases.

People are on here flapping about as if the evidence of lack thereoff really meant anything. Only thing that counts is your political view.....and that is it.

Alan Dershowitz, and most other legal scholars felt no charges were should have been leveled, and that by itself MEANS NOTHING. But the only reason this is even in trial is because of the 30 days after the tragic incident had everyone up to the White House commenting on it as a result of the immediate attempt to get the media involved. If you read the history of this incident, THAT is what you find.

Oh yeah....this is 100% political including the threats of riots should they allow the terrible Zimmerman to go free (NOT any comment intended to promote guilt or innocence because I do not care...JUSTICE is all I ever care about).

This is a total fiasco rooted in things we all are aware of but never want to talk about. Sharpton has done the EXACT SAME THING in his past......along with all the major players involved with DISASTEROUS RESULTS. BUT we go along, I suppose because our inside political machine tells us we need to.

Still waiting for one of the soft hearted folks on here grieving about the young man to start a thread about the 19 firefighters killed in Arizona. THAT however has no political implications thus it does not get anyone's time.

[DougB]

Anybody think someone needs a mirror?

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by DougB

Anybody think someone needs a mirror?

Good one.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DougB

Anybody think someone needs a mirror?

Assuming that was aimed at my post, I accept that. I have NEVER posted one word relative to innocence or guilt.

Do I feel this is political...BIG TIME. Do I feel those who post on here totally unaware of ANY FACTS.......and NOT SPEAKING OF FACTS TO DETERMINE INNOCENCE OR GUILT....facts about how this tragic event got here, and how it is being USED.

I can look at myself in the mirror for sure. I listened the days following the event to the police, and READ the law involved. We are a country of laws still I think.

Do I have political bias.....you betcha, but NOT on the innocence or guilt of anyone in this case. I was not there, and cannot read minds as some her obviously can.

My political bias would lead me to say things about the trial..I HAVE NOT.

If someone can contest my feelings that this is a political journey and can only have disastrous results, lets hear it

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Patty55

You forget that TM was only 17, quite a resume for a 17 year old. The only reason we even know about these activities is from his (and his friends) bragging on facebook and twitter. There may be more out there, but as a YO they won't be revealed.

Did you know that Ms Fulton's cousin was killed during the commission of a crime under Stand Your Ground in 2009? Did you know the button on TM's hoodie was in support of that cousin? It seems to me that should have been a wake up call to improve your parenting skills-y'think.

I fail to see how wearing a button on your sweatshirt in support of a dead relative is suspect. Could you explain in more detail?

Also, I'm having trouble finding Trayvon Martin's juvenile record. Could you direct me to a link?

[KyWoman]

I agree that opinions seem to be divided along political lines. I do think that the media has tried to portray Travon as an innocent 17 year old just out to neighborhood 7-11 to buy his iced tea and skittles. Google iced tea, skittles and huffing. Our innocent little guy may have been up to no good after all.

I realize that having huffing ingredients on a person is not a crime and certainly no reason for the end he met. But, I am tired of the media showing old pictures of him and portraying him as this poor innocent out for a walk in the park!

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by janmcn

I fail to see how wearing a button on your sweatshirt in support of a dead relative is suspect. Could you explain in more detail?

Also, I'm having trouble finding Trayvon Martin's juvenile record. Could you direct me to a link?

He wasn't wearing just a button supporting a dead relative, he was supporting a button supporting a relative who was killed committing a crime. Hardly a good role model.

You won't find his YO record, because YO records are not public. You will find references to his behavior in his text messages, tweets and emails. Most of this is in the discovery.

Here is a link to some of the discovery.
State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF001083-A) - .

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by janmcn

I fail to see how wearing a button on your sweatshirt in support of a dead relative is suspect. Could you explain in more detail?

Also, I'm having trouble finding Trayvon Martin's juvenile record. Could you direct me to a link?

Here is a link regarding Martin's backpack having 12 pieces of women's jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver (burglary tool). It explains why he was not further investigated, arrested or otherwise dealt with at the time.

M-DSPD Cover Up – The Curious Case Of Trayvon Martin’s Backpack With Stolen Jewelry and Burglary Tool… | The Last Refuge

On the bus driver assault: http://www.examiner.com/article/tray...day-suspension

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I find it totally amazing and scary how correct you are.

These folks have been pulled into this by outside political influences.....minds were made up before any trial, and WILL NOT be changed no matter the evidence. These folks are stretching things so badly, it is scary.

THIS IS 100 PERCENT POLITICAL...period and end of that story.

All this discussion of evidence or lack there of is just an excuse to exercise your typing skills.

NOBODY seems to remember the genesis of this case at all. NOBODY cares about the main players and their history in these type of cases.

People are on here flapping about as if the evidence of lack thereoff really meant anything. Only thing that counts is your political view.....and that is it.

Alan Dershowitz, and most other legal scholars felt no charges were should have been leveled, and that by itself MEANS NOTHING. But the only reason this is even in trial is because of the 30 days after the tragic incident had everyone up to the White House commenting on it as a result of the immediate attempt to get the media involved. If you read the history of this incident, THAT is what you find.

Oh yeah....this is 100% political including the threats of riots should they allow the terrible Zimmerman to go free (NOT any comment intended to promote guilt or innocence because I do not care...JUSTICE is all I ever care about).

This is a total fiasco rooted in things we all are aware of but never want to talk about. Sharpton has done the EXACT SAME THING in his past......along with all the major players involved with DISASTEROUS RESULTS. BUT we go along, I suppose because our inside political machine tells us we need to.

Still waiting for one of the soft hearted folks on here grieving about the young man to start a thread about the 19 firefighters killed in Arizona. THAT however has no political implications thus it does not get anyone's time.

Sorry, but I do not see that the trial itself is political. The fact that it came to trial, perhaps. Political motivation or not, it is in trial and that is a fact.

I have only posted my personal opinions and observations, not the political or media hype. I just think that GZ had no right to appoint himself judge, jury, and executioner that night.

Getting out of his car and then not following the advice of the dispatcher was not his big mistake. He could have met them at his car, as he originally said he would, and then taken them up the path indicating where he last saw him. Not adhering to NW protocol was his big mistake. Technically, everyone is a member of NW whether they patrol or have a title. They are to be observant and call the authorities to report anything they have a concern about. Call law enforcement and report.. That is what is posted on the sign and what was emphasized in the meetings when their NW was established. The were never instructed to take matters into their own hands. Our CW follow the same guidelines. They have no legal authority just as GZ did not.

I have heard him on the tapes and his interview tell lie after lie. So have the jurors. I still say that will carry a great deal of weight with these jurors.

As for the riots, there are idiots in all walks of life. Remember all the demonstrations outside the Anthony house all hours of the day and night which included bringing young children with them? Talk about bad parenting!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Patty55

He wasn't wearing just a button supporting a dead relative, he was supporting a button supporting a relative who was killed committing a crime. Hardly a good role model.

You won't find his YO record, because YO records are not public. You will find references to his behavior in his text messages, tweets and emails. Most of this is in the discovery.

Here is a link to some of the discovery.
State v. Zimmerman (2012-CF001083-A) - .

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Here is a link regarding Martin's backpack having 12 pieces of women's jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver (burglary tool). It explains why he was not further investigated, arrested or otherwise dealt with at the time.

M-DSPD Cover Up � The Curious Case Of Trayvon Martin�s Backpack With Stolen Jewelry and Burglary Tool� | The Last Refuge

On the bus driver assault: Trayvon Martin's ten day suspension - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com

So we just have to wait a few more days to hear all about Trayvon Martin's juvenile records and the illegal activity he was up to the night he was killed when the defense puts on it's case. Should be very interesting.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Sorry, but I do not see that the trial itself is political. The fact that it came to trial, perhaps. Political motivation or not, it is in trial and that is a fact.

I have only posted my personal opinions and observations, not the political or media hype. I just think that GZ had no right to appoint himself judge, jury, and executioner that night.

Getting out of his car and then not following the advice of the dispatcher was not his big mistake. He could have met them at his car, as he originally said he would, and then taken them up the path indicating where he last saw him. Not adhering to NW protocol was his big mistake. Technically, everyone is a member of NW whether they patrol or have a title. They are to be observant and call the authorities to report anything they have a concern about. Call law enforcement and report.. That is what is posted on the sign and what was emphasized in the meetings when their NW was established. The were never instructed to take matters into their own hands. Our CW follow the same guidelines. They have no legal authority just as GZ did not.

I have heard him on the tapes and his interview tell lie after lie. So have the jurors. I still say that will carry a great deal of weight with these jurors.

As for the riots, there are idiots in all walks of life. Remember all the demonstrations outside the Anthony house all hours of the day and night which included bringing young children with them? Talk about bad parenting!

First we agree that the fact this came to trial was POLITICAL.

For me, that makes the trial, which as we agree would not exist except for the politics, POLITICAL.

I cannot comment on the trial as I have not watched it. I have read both good and bad about BOTH folks involved prior to this sad evening, and I surely was not there.

What has prompted me to post here is the atmosphere being applied. This has the makings of having a VERY BAD ENDING.....and I am not speaking of the verdict. It is so like Sharpton's other forays like this. People on here rooting, reading others minds, and ignoring the fact this entire thing was politically motivated from the beginning.

If you agree that it came to trial only because of politics, how can a side be taken ? I have total distaste for the entire thing, not just a Zimmerman mistruth, or a Martin error, so I suppose it is like asking people to disband from watching a riot....I got no shot.

The posters,if on the old political board, would fall into predictable categories, and that seems very sad when speaking of a trial made possible by political movements.

I am not judging anyone, but this has BAD ENDING written all over it. I pray I am wrong.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by janmcn

So we just have to wait a few more days to hear all about Trayvon Martin's juvenile records and the illegal activity he was up to the night he was killed when the defense puts on it's case. Should be very interesting.

While they are definitely pertinent to the case - especially if any of these records show violent behaviour, I will be surprised if they are allowed to be used.