[Patty55]

Originally Posted by janmcn

So we just have to wait a few more days to hear all about Trayvon Martin's juvenile records and the illegal activity he was up to the night he was killed when the defense puts on it's case. Should be very interesting.

No, but you might hear that after he got off the phone with his 16 year old (NOT) GF he put the earpiece in his pocket, maybe IMO because he knew he was going to fight.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by janmcn

So we just have to wait a few more days to hear all about Trayvon Martin's juvenile records and the illegal activity he was up to the night he was killed when the defense puts on it's case. Should be very interesting.

The jury, hopefully, will be able obtain sufficient background information on Martin to capably assess Martin's character (or lack thereof), propensity for violence, physical aggressiveness and his actual physical size and conditioning. This would aid them in determining if Martin might have been the aggressor, sucker punching Zimmerman and grounding and pounding Zimmerman using MMA techniques he knew and practiced, or whether he was a "lover" (from his numerous texts related to sex) rather than a fighter. See: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/48402...alk-like-this/

The jury also, hopefully, will be able to obtain adequate background material on Zimmerman to assess whether he is a trigger-happy cop wanna-be or a level headed concerned citizen trying to reduce the number of felonies occurring in his community - or, most likely, something between those polar examples.

An aside on some of the comments in a few previous posts regarding how the prosecution has handled its case poorly, throwing the case, etc. I was quite puzzled as to why they presented their weakest witnesses first, some of whom almost appeared to be witnesses for the defense. I might be wrong but I now believe they may have been wanting to get the worst (for them) out of the way and have saved the best for last so it will be foremost in the juror's minds, this being the DNA evidence and what will soon follow.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Bucco

All this discussion of evidence or lack there of is just an excuse to exercise your typing skills. NOBODY seems to remember the genesis of this case at all. NOBODY cares about the main players and their history in these type of cases. People are on here flapping about as if the evidence of lack thereoff really meant anything.

Bucco, I apologize for taking your words out of context, but I have a couple of comments.

I think your statement that "nobody cares about the main players and their history" is untrue. Many people have shown by their thoughtful posts that they do care about the players and about the Justice system. The fact that this thread has been viewed over 10,000 times tells me somebody cares.

As far as "an excuse to exercise your typing skills" As with most threads on TOTV, it's just a bunch of homies exchanging ideas and theories. (Homies meaning internet friends).

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Bucco, I apologize for taking your words out of context, but I have a couple of comments.

I think your statement that "nobody cares about the main players and their history" is untrue. Many people have shown by their thoughtful posts that they do care about the players and about the Justice system. The fact that this thread has been viewed over 10,000 times tells me somebody cares.

As far as "an excuse to exercise your typing skills" As with most threads on TOTV, it's just a bunch of homies exchanging ideas and theories. (Homies meaning internet friends).

Point made and accepted !

[gomoho]

I believe the trial is a result of politics, but opinons of what happened are based more on life experience.

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by gomoho

I believe the trial is a result of politics, but opinons of what happened are based more on life experience.

Absolutely, once Sharpton got involved I knew the spin was on. I obviously have no dog in this fight, but I believe in justice (can we still say that? Ms Fulton does have it trademarked-LOL).

I hate to see people quoting the spin and it being accepted as fact.

Life experience? Yep, I worked for a while for the Probation Dept. Saw many a delinquent, saw a loopy parent trying to get a PINS because their child listened to rock music.

I remember Tawana Brawley and how the police were railroaded, their lives and careers destroyed.

Lastly, I know people who have had tragedy in their lives and didn't turn it into a fund raiser.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Absolutely, once Sharpton got involved I knew the spin was on. I obviously have no dog in this fight, but I believe in justice (can we still say that? Ms Fulton does have it trademarked-LOL).

I hate to see people quoting the spin and it being accepted as fact.

Life experience? Yep, I worked for a while for the Probation Dept. Saw many a delinquent, saw a loopy parent trying to get a PINS because their child listened to rock music.

I remember Tawana Brawley and how the police were railroaded, their lives and careers destroyed.

Lastly, I know people who have had tragedy in their lives and didn't turn it into a fund raiser.

Good post !

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I have heard him on the tapes and his interview tell lie after lie. So have the jurors. I still say that will carry a great deal of weight with these jurors.

And you know it was lie after lie because you were there to witness the whole thing?
Talk about acting like judge jury and executioner. You have this guy convicted when you have no facts.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by dillywho

Sorry, but I do not see that the trial itself is political. The fact that it came to trial, perhaps. Political motivation or not, it is in trial and that is a fact.

I have only posted my personal opinions and observations, not the political or media hype. I just think that GZ had no right to appoint himself judge, jury, and executioner that night.

Getting out of his car and then not following the advice of the dispatcher was not his big mistake. He could have met them at his car, as he originally said he would, and then taken them up the path indicating where he last saw him.

If both parties were black there would be no trial, if both were white there would be no trial. That's about as political as you can get.

Following the advice of the dispatcher? He didn't even have to call the dispatcher. He lived in those apartments, he paid rent for the apartment, his property was in those apartments. There had been numerous break-ins, home invasions and burglaries, as a tenant what would you do?

Tryavon Martin was a guest in his father's apartment. It was dark, it was raining, and he was strollling along between the apartments without a care in the world. His father was as much to blame as anyone for allowing this behavior. George Zimmerman was doing exactly as what I would do in that exact situation. He was checking his neighborhood. Trayvon was the aggressor, he instigated the fight when he jumped George and had the upper hand, he didn't realize that law biding citizens have the right to carry a concealed weapon and he paid the price.


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[mickey100]

Originally Posted by John_W

If both parties were black there would be no trial, if both were white there would be no trial. That's about as political as you can get.

Following the advice of the dispatcher? He didn't even have to call the dispatcher. He lived in those apartments, he paid rent for the apartment, his property was in those apartments. There had been numerous break-ins, home invasions and burglaries, as a tenant what would you do?

Tryavon Martin was a guest in his father's apartment. It was dark, it was raining, and he was strollling along between the apartments without a care in the world. His father was as much to blame as anyone for allowing this behavior. George Zimmerman was doing exactly as what I would do in that exact situation. He was checking his neighborhood. Trayvon was the aggressor, he instigated the fight when he jumped George and had the upper hand, he didn't realize that law biding citizens have the right to carry a concealed weapon and he paid the price.


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A son was a "guest" at his father's apartment? He was strolling between the apartments without a care in the world? And that is a crime why? And why would he have a care in the world when he just went out to buy Skittles for his brother? And his father is to blame for his being out at 7:30 buying skittles? Sorry, you lost me on that one.
There is no conclusive evidence that Martin was the aggressor. We have not heard all the evidence yet. For all we know, Zimmerman decided Martin was the one "expletive a. Hole " that wasn't going to get away, and he made sure that happened. We just don't know all the facts yet

[ugotme]

If it wasn't for Sharpton this whole case might have been handled differently.

And, of course, if it doesn't turn out the way he wants he will be
in the background inciting everyone. IT'S WHAT HE DOES !

[John_W]

Originally Posted by mickey100

A son was a "guest" at his father's apartment? He was strolling between the apartments without a care in the world? And that is a crime why? And why would he have a care in the world when he just went out to buy Skittles for his brother? And his father is to blame for his being out at 7:30 buying skittles?

Well yeah, he was suspended from school 3 times that year. He was caught with stolen property and burglary tools. As a parent it's OK to say, go to the store by yourself, even though it's dark and raining, and he has a tendency to find trouble? At 7:30 in February it is dark, That' a fact. His mother shipped his butt from Miami up to Sanford. If you don't see anything wrong with that scenario, then you are not any better. You have a juvenile delinquent staying at your place and you let him have free roam of the neighborhood after dark. Not a good practice, in fact he's dead for that very reason.

If I lived in a apartment complex with as much criminal activity as this place, the last thing I would want is to have him roaming the neighborhood unsupervised at night. Maybe you have a better insight, but then again, Trayvon is dead for this very type of behavior. I lived for a year in a similar apartment complex in Atlanta. Couldn't go to the laundry room at night, cars were broken into, and I called the police on several occasions about my neighbors. I would never have had a teenager stay for an extended period of time. Then again, I've never had a son get suspended from school on multiple occasions or caught stealing property.









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[Patty55]

Originally Posted by mickey100

A son was a "guest" at his father's apartment? He was strolling between the apartments without a care in the world? And that is a crime why? And why would he have a care in the world when he just went out to buy Skittles for his brother? And his father is to blame for his being out at 7:30 buying skittles? Sorry, you lost me on that one.
There is no conclusive evidence that Martin was the aggressor. We have not heard all the evidence yet. For all we know, Zimmerman decided Martin was the one "expletive a. Hole " that wasn't going to get away, and he made sure that happened. We just don't know all the facts yet

First of all, he was not a guest at his father's apartment. He was a guest at his father's girlfriend's apartment. It was not his brother, it was his father's gf's child. I would think that Mr. Martin's home would have with his wife of 14 years who he didn't divorce until December 2012. More spin?

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[mickey100]

I see nothing wrong with a 17 year old kid going out at 7:30 at night to take a short walk to the store to buy skittles. I must be a horrible parent. Sue me. The fact is there is nothing illegal or criminal about what he was doing. It matters not who's apartment it was, who's wife or girlfriend it was. It matters not where he had A's in school had a run-in with the law a few months ago, or if he posted rapper type poses on his Facebook page, which by the way, is very common among young men today and doesn't mean they are criminals. The bottom line was - did he do something that particular night that a reasonable person in George Zimmerman’s situation would have suspected Trayvon intended to burglarize someone’s home or steal someone’s property. Walking through the neighborhood when it is raining and looking at houses does not suggest criminal activity. You can't just have a "hunch" that someone has criminal activity in mind, there has to be probable cause, which there wasn't in this case. If Zimm had been a police officer he would have stopped Martin, and identified himself as a police officer and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood, or just asked if he needed assistance. Zimm did neither of those things. In fact Zimm acted as the aggressor when he followed Martin with a loaded weapon. Since Zimm was the aggressor, how about allowing Martin the right to Stand his Groundand defend himself against Zimm ?

[mickey100]

Another thing that has piqued my interest, is Zimm's alleged use of prescription drugs. I read somewhere, might have been the EMS report, that he was taking an amphetamine Temazepam, also known as Restoril, which is known to cause insomnia and anxiety. The drug is also known to cause aggressiveness and hallucinations. Of course the police did such a sloppy investigation, they never tested Zimm's blood, so we'll never know if he did have excessive amounts of the amphetamine in his system. I'm interested in seeing how the prosecution handles that information.