Originally Posted by Bucco

First of all, take your sarcastic attitude someplace else..on here it is not appreciated.

You can be critical of Fox and The Villages at your whim, but do not have the concentrated gall to come on here with that kind of sarcasm.

Your posts are all the same...NON issue...love the President no matter what he does,and from my point of view, your total lack of anything makes anything you say totally invalid.

Please take your acid tongue somewhere else !!!!

So many posts here are sarcastic....why do you pick on this guy? Spread your comments evenly across the right wing posters whose acid tongues we have to tolerate over and over again.....

Originally Posted by ladydoc

So many posts here are sarcastic....why do you pick on this guy? Spread your comments evenly across the right wing posters whose acid tongues we have to tolerate over and over again.....

My criticism is ONLY and TOTALLY aimed at those who villify other people or institutions WITH ABSOLUTELY FREE REIGN, NOT EVEN SUPPLYING WHAT MAKES THEM THINK THAT.

It is also reserved for those who make CRIMINAL ACCUSATIONS as this poster has done about public people and when proven to be 100% false, just jump to another thread and another person to attack.

Frankly, while this forum has been for years full of a bit of sarcasm and the such, this poster and a few others take it to an extreme.

Originally Posted by chachacha

personally, as a devout Catholic, i would like the church to refuse the federal funds and maintain its integrity. as an American taxpayer, i do not know why federal tax dollars are going to any religious institution to begin with...is this an opening for our tax dollars funding muslim schools which teach hate, or Jewish hospitals which perform abortions, or any other group doing any other thing which the taxpayer himself may not wish to support? we are spending billions rebuilding churches and mosques overseas! why???? the federal govt has its tentacles into areas where it does not belong... Get It Out!

Your church, on the other hand, is trying to force IT's beliefs onto the rest of us. I am OK with abortions being peformed...you are not. When your church stops trying to legislate morality, then there is a commonality for discussion. I have nothing against catholics...I got one my degrees at Loyola University and am still friends with some of the people I met there.

This whole thing is a slippery slope....in a country with many different points of view you MUST be willing to accept some things you do not like just like others have to accept things you want and they don't. It will never be all the way you believe and it will never be all the way I believe. I am more then willing to accept or at least tolerate different tenets than I believe.

Not allowing stem cell research for 8 years has seriously hampered scientific advancements...many many lives were negatively affected. And please, do not make this another forum for abortion discussions. I do believe that has been played out again and again in this forum and I don't think anyone really wants to hear it hashed out again.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Some people here have said that we should eliminate all foreign aid payments. I wonder if they realize that 80% of U.S. foreign aid payments go to Israel?

I don't think you're referring to me because nowhere did I say "all" foreign aid.

Also you're falsely reporting that Israel receive 80% of U.S. aid. You've either made a huge mistake or are purposely lying about that. I don't know which.

Israel may get, at most, 30% of U.S. foreign aid, and is the only country that really needs our foreign aid in regard to it tenuous hold in hostile territory.

Pretty much all other recipients are wealthy enough not to deserve further cash from us.

Somewhere,and I am sorry..not sure where, I read that about 1/3....33% of our foreign aid goes to a combination of Israel and Egypt !

Originally Posted by ladydoc

Your church, on the other hand, is trying to force IT's beliefs onto the rest of us.

Let's see!

The beliefs/morality you speak of orginated in 1973 with the landmark decision in Roe vs. Wade.
The beliefs/morality Catholics have are centuries old.

You say the church is forcing their morality on everybody.
The church is only exercising their freedom of religion rights.

You imply the church prevents you and others from exercising your rights.
The church cannot prevent you or anybody from excersing your rights... elsewhere.

Whose trying to force their beliefs on others?
It sure ain't the church, by a long shot. That's for sure!

Originally Posted by skyguy79

Let's see!

The beliefs/morality you speak of orginated in 1973 with the landmark decision in Roe vs. Wade.
The beliefs/morality Catholics have are centuries old.

You say the church is forcing their morality on everybody.
The church is only exercising their freedom of religion rights.

You imply the church prevents you and others from exercising your rights.
The church cannot prevent you or anybody from excersing your rights... elsewhere.

Whose trying to force their beliefs on others?
It sure ain't the church, by a long shot. That's for sure!

You will not get much of a response to this......those who think our society is moving forward with its degradation just ignore this because it seems to be all about them. Meanwhile the entire society gets weaker and we charge those with morals to be bigots. If you dont agree with them, those who are into the self indulgence, then you just dont get it. The elitist just dont get it.

And it is not important whether you agree with the Catholic church teachings.....it is that you DONT CARE about them...now the same folks will come on here and defend other religions right to do anything because it does not threaten their self indulgence.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I don't think you're referring to me because nowhere did I say "all" foreign aid.

Also you're falsely reporting that Israel receive 80% of U.S. aid. You've either made a huge mistake or are purposely lying about that. I don't know which.

Israel may get, at most, 30% of U.S. foreign aid, and is the only country that really needs our foreign aid in regard to it tenuous hold in hostile territory.

Pretty much all other recipients are wealthy enough not to deserve further cash from us.

Total U.S. foreign aid payments in 2009 were slightly more than $25 billion. Foreign aid to Israel in 2009 was $20 billion. Israel's defense budget was $19.8 billion.

Look it up, Richie. 30%? Where the heck did that come from?

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Total U.S. foreign aid payments in 2009 were slightly more than $25 billion. Foreign aid to Israel in 2009 was $20 billion. Israel's defense budget was $19.8 billion.

Look it up, Richie. 30%? Where the heck did that come from?

I did look it up. You post a government link that shows 80%. Put up, or shut up. I won't take your numbers above as factual when they're undocumented.

Skyguy. Having been raised a Catholic, let me tell you what the Church would do if they had their way.

Abortions would be illegal.
Contraception would be illegal.
No stores would be open on Sunday. (This was true in Massachusetts until the 1980s)
Women would still be considered property of their husbands.

Going back a little ways, let's not forget that Prohibition was for everyone - except the Church.

If we REALLY went far back in time...
Inquisitions would be legal.
Witchcraft would be an offense.

Let's remember that it wasn't until the 1990s that the Catholic Church admitted that Galileo was right.

These are just more examples of the reasons that I can't stand the *heirarchy* of the Church. To be fair, the priests I've known in my life are some of the best people I've ever met. But the further away you get from the 'ground troops', the more corruption there seems to be.

Education, Science, Research, Improvement, Modernization, etc. etc. in my mind are good things.

Hanging onto disproved Superstitions, Quackery, Non-acceptance of Differences, etc. etc. are bad things.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Education, Science, Research, Improvement, Modernization, etc. etc. in my mind are good things.

Hanging onto disproved Superstitions, Quackery, Non-acceptance of Differences, etc. etc. are bad things.

No bigotry in this post...no sireeeee

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Education, Science, Research, Improvement, Modernization, etc. etc. in my mind are good things.

Hanging onto disproved Superstitions, Quackery, Non-acceptance of Differences, etc. etc. are bad things.

Originally Posted by Bucco

No bigotry in this post...no sireeeee

Bucco, you understood the point that this guy is making? I know it a mean spirited post, but I don't quite get the point of his prejudice in this one, I have to admit. Exactly what he is referring to is escaping me.

It obvious that it reeks with some hatred, but I can't get a real handle on the correlation of his first statement and his second.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Bucco, you understood the point that this guy is making? I know it a mean spirited post, but I don't quite get the point of his prejudice in this one, I have to admit. Exactly what he is referring to is escaping me.

It obvious that it reeks with some hatred, but I can't get a real handle on the correlation of his first statement and his second.

I think he is referring to the post by DJPLONG who talked about where we might be if the Catholic Church had their way...which by the way much of what he says would be fantastic, but we pretty much all know that DJPLONG has a "thing" with the church.

The VILLAGER2 post is just agreeing with it, and of course since he has a problem with Santorum (who in case you didnt know is a bigot) he applies his "NON bigotory" coments !!!

Originally Posted by Bucco

I think he is referring to the post by DJPLONG who talked about where we might be if the Catholic Church had their way...which by the way much of what he says would be fantastic, but we pretty much all know that DJPLONG has a "thing" with the church.

The VILLAGER2 post is just agreeing with it, and of course since he has a problem with Santorum (who in case you didnt know is a bigot) he applies his "NON bigotory" coments !!!

Thanks buddy. I'm better when people post the quotes they're referring to as i mostly just read the last page and don't always go back and read everything again to put late posts in their proper context.

I appreciate the response.