Originally Posted by ladydoc

Saying a gay man is more like a woman then a man is pretty out there thinking. Gay men are not defined by their sexuality anymore then you are.

Because you prefer woman do you lust and after and make advances to every woman you see? I would guess not. Believe it or not, gay men are not attracted at EVERY man they see. If you were in the military you have already showered with gay men. I think the gay professional sports figures would disagree about them being more like women then men. You say this only because the gay men you have met are NOT blatant stereotypes.

I agree with all you say, but not when it comes to the military where sameness is paramount. If you have openly GAY, at least with some flamboyant men, you will know and that would be hard for lots of men to handle, me for one. AS for women in combat, I do not lust after every women I see, but if a foxy lady was in the shower naked with me, I would have a hard time talking about the firing range of that day. Real men do not act nor perform to the same level of professionalism around women. Seconds count. Snap best decisions count. Mission only thoughts Count When in combat. I am just saying. And most important, most battle field military are young and high on testosterone already. I am just saying. Put the women and Gay men in the military careers like clerical and the FIGHTING MEN in combat.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

I agree with all you say, but not when it comes to the military where sameness is paramount. If you have openly GAY, at least with some flamboyant men, you will know and that would be hard for lots of men to handle, me for one. AS for women in combat, I do not lust after every women I see, but if a foxy lady was in the shower naked with me, I would have a hard time talking about the firing range of that day. Real men do not act nor perform to the same level of professionalism around women. Seconds count. Snap best decisions count. Mission only thoughts Count When in combat. I am just saying. And most important, most battle field military are young and high on testosterone already. I am just saying. Put the women and Gay men in the military careers like clerical and the FIGHTING MEN in combat.

You and I must have been in different armys. The women I had working for me and those that I worked for where very good at their jobs and they weren't clerks or cooks. As for being gay, there have been gays in the Army since the beginning of time. Just saying what if that manly man next to you who won the Silver Star and safed your life could have been gay. Would you wanted him to be a cook or clerk? Sorry old buddy, but we disagree on this from the get go. Everyone needs to service their country and I mean everyone.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

I agree with all you say, but not when it comes to the military where sameness is paramount. If you have openly GAY, at least with some flamboyant men, you will know and that would be hard for lots of men to handle, me for one. AS for women in combat, I do not lust after every women I see, but if a foxy lady was in the shower naked with me, I would have a hard time talking about the firing range of that day. Real men do not act nor perform to the same level of professionalism around women. Seconds count. Snap best decisions count. Mission only thoughts Count When in combat. I am just saying. And most important, most battle field military are young and high on testosterone already. I am just saying. Put the women and Gay men in the military careers like clerical and the FIGHTING MEN in combat.

I am interested in your comment that real men do not perform to the same level of professionalism around women. Is this based on any actual study or co-ordinated observation? For example...women's voices are used in emergency situations because men respond FASTER to them ie: in cockpits. Males generally would respond, I think, faster in a critical combat situation based on a very primal level instinct to protect the females. I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, but am interested on what you based this opinion.

Let me clarify: I go back to the original thought that being OPENLY GAY. To me that means being obvious or flamboyant about being gay. I have serviced with gays in the military and had no problem with that. I had a gay female E6 work for me in Germany that I would lead or follow into combat, but she was not openly gay. For a man to be gay in the military is one thing, but if I see him in the club after work wearing a dress and makeup, it would bother me in formation the next morning. Sorry, but I am mid west farm boy and gay was just not done OPENLY. I do not wish to see anyone kissing and fondling each other at the square in the evening, but if it is two women or two men, it would bother me even more. Keep your sexuality private and I got your back.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Let me clarify: I go back to the original thought that being OPENLY GAY. To me that means being obvious or flamboyant about being gay. I have serviced with gays in the military and had no problem with that. I had a gay female E6 work for me in Germany that I would lead or follow into combat, but she was not openly gay. For a man to be gay in the military is one thing, but if I see him in the club after work wearing a dress and makeup, it would bother me in formation the next morning. Sorry, but I am mid west farm boy and gay was just not done OPENLY. I do not wish to see anyone kissing and fondling each other at the square in the evening, but if it is two women or two men, it would bother me even more. Keep your sexuality private and I got your back.

I don't think the military would be a vocation of chose for most of the gay men you describe. And I do agree that public displays of affection are just uncomfortable for everyone. I don't even like to see heterosexual couples PDA beyond a hug or kiss. Certain things are private and no one else wants to see it.

Originally Posted by ladydoc

I don't think the military would be a vocation of chose for most of the gay men you describe. And I do agree that public displays of affection are just uncomfortable for everyone. I don't even like to see heterosexual couples PDA beyond a hug or kiss. Certain things are private and no one else wants to see it.

Exactly my point. Whew, I have the hardest time explaining myself. It is very fortunate that I am so good looking, cause at this age it is very apparent I will never be smart or rich, and I cant even sing or dance.

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

You and I must have been in different armys. The women I had working for me and those that I worked for where very good at their jobs and they weren't clerks or cooks. As for being gay, there have been gays in the Army since the beginning of time. Just saying what if that manly man next to you who won the Silver Star and safed your life could have been gay. Would you wanted him to be a cook or clerk? Sorry old buddy, but we disagree on this from the get go. Everyone needs to service their country and I mean everyone.

Excellent post.

Originally Posted by ladydoc

Saying a gay man is more like a woman then a man is pretty out there thinking. Gay men are not defined by their sexuality anymore then you are.

Because you prefer woman do you lust and after and make advances to every woman you see? I would guess not. Believe it or not, gay men are not attracted at EVERY man they see. If you were in the military you have already showered with gay men. I think the gay professional sports figures would disagree about them being more like women then men. You say this only because the gay men you have met are NOT blatant stereotypes.

Quite to the contrary, psychatrists have written that the one issue that defines a man is that he loves women. Gay men love men .

Originally Posted by rubicon

Quite to the contrary, psychatrists have written that the one issue that defines a man is that he loves women. Gay men love men .

Don't agree with me on this one. I am just an outdated, set in my ways, old fashioned good ole boy when it comes to gay vs straight. Both my kids tell me I am 50 years behind in my thinking and they may be right, so call me a dinosaur but if your a flamboyant GAY man, don't try to give me a hug.

Originally Posted by rubicon

Quite to the contrary, psychatrists have written that the one issue that defines a man is that he loves women. Gay men love men .

Can you share with me what psychiatrist has written that? I would be interested in reading the original text. A lot of Gay men love women...but they do not want to have sex with them though.

I have worked with many men who "love" women so much that they beat the crap out of them, cheat on them and on and on. I am sure you get my point. I think it would be more accurate to say that heterosexual men want sexual relations with women. I don't think ANY one thing defines anyone...