Originally Posted by cologal

I agree the word WASTED is an unfortunate choice. However, as an Aunt of now 3 nephews in the military....Marines, Army and Navy. And the Aunt of a Purple Heart recipient I would have preferred his life be put a risk to defend the USA not to nation build. And certainly not because the VP was ****ed off that the job hadn't been finished the first time.

My nephew's service should not be diminished in any way by the conflict in which he served.

I am proud of your nephews, for their service and sacrifice to our country.

That being said, when one joins the service one is subject to the Commander in Chiefs orders. You don't get to pick whether or not you like where or why you are sent, only to serve the Country as ordered. The military way.

YOU may not prefer the reasons they are at risk, no one wants their friends or family in harms way, but ask THEM their emotions on their service to America. I'll bet they are proud of their service, feel that they are contributing to the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan and that they feel that they are protecting their family's safety at home. Heaven forbid that any of them is harmed, but if they are look beyond their sacrifice as being wasted, but as the fighters that keep the world a free from evil.

Originally Posted by billethkid

"...the unimaginative, stale, sterile, lack luster, liberal leadership occupying seats in the People's House and Congress in Washington..."

btk

You guys use the eagle beak (also known as a pecker) (peck, peck went the chicken).

Glen Beck uses that same icon on his show. Followers of Glen Beck could correctly be called, "Beckers"

So if a follower of Glenn Beck can be rightly called called a "Becker" doesn't that make his followers who also use his "beak head" mascot, "Becker's Peckers"? And how would a "tea-******" feel about a "pecker" snuggling up to him at a rally....

from cabo35's post.

And then to jump shift from that to Glenn Beck to remain polite is kinda bizare.

How about discussing the issue of the thread? The fact that....both parties....have incumbents who on a good day be can only be described using cabo35's descriptives.

Anybody with a heartbeat (both parties) know the ineffectiveness of our Congress' incumbents. It is a bonafide national ground swell with increasing support (both parties).

One could misinterpret your commentary to reflect being in favor of congress' effectiveness (for most of us that would be the ineffectiveness!).

We all recognize it is your privledge to have your opinion about Beck or anybody or anything else.

However, the issue of the thread, once again, is side stepped and instead is belabored by a catharsis that has zero contributed value to the subject at hand. That is my humble opinion.

btk

Beck is not a Democrat.

When Democrats do not want Beck to say what he says they seem to be of the opinion that you must be a Democrat if you want freedom to speak your mind.

P.S. Beck is not a republican either.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

You guys use the eagle beak (also known as a pecker) (peck, peck went the chicken).

And how would a "tea-******" feel about a "pecker" snuggling up to him at a rally....

Your fascination with beaks, peckers and tea-******* is odd. Your ad hominem insults to those who use the American bald eagle as an icon speaks to the distinctive lack of class your words convey as well as the contempt you hold for those who don't share your perspective. What happened to the tolerance you once professed in one of your early posts?

The American eagle became the centerpiece of the Great Seal of the United States in 1782 It was officially designate as the National Emblem in 1787. The eagle stands for the spirit of liberty and freedom so many have sacrificed so much for. The people I served with would treat disrespecting the eagle, our national emblem, with the same disdain as someone who desecrated an American flag. Most patriots would as well.

If you look very closely, you would see I chose to use the symbol of the "crying eagle" for my icon. Sometimes, because of technical anomalies connected with this site, the flowing tears don't always show. I selected it because it expressed and symbolized my belief in the insidious erosion of the liberty and freedom our proud national emblem stands for.

Your tasteless rant not withstanding, and with support for your right to act out in demeaning, disrespectful expressions .....I will use the eagle with pride, and hope for our country's return to our founding principles. God bless America.

I still haven't seen a George Bush "lie" here. Let's look at the quotes though-

Quote 1: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - this is quoted in the following press statement (now conveniently missing, of course, although widely quoted at the time) Sen. Ted Kennedy

Quote 2: "In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them." - this from the floor of the Senate, as quoted on the Authorization of Force website. Sen. John Kerry

Quote 3: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." - from Meet The Press on November 17, 2002, as quoted on DemocracyNow.com Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Quote 4: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - this was quoted in the Washington Post on September 23, 2002 Sen. Al Gore

Quote 5: "The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability." - from October of 2002, as quoted on Tim Russert's program on February 27, 2007 Sen. John Edwards

So were these five quotes lies?

It has been said that another major reason the U.S. was not a contender for the Olympics was because of our very tight security for foreigners entering the country. We had many pluses, including a transit system already in place, as well as many buildings in place, etc. that could be used for the events. Now Rio will be forking out a lot of money to improve their infrastructure. I wouldn't blame Obama totally for this loss, but I'm sure his ego felt stepped on. My mother used to say "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." I give him a lot of credit for trying to create jobs here. It just looked like it was So. America's turn to host this event.

Originally Posted by cabo35

Your fascination with beaks, peckers and tea-******* is odd. Your ad hominem insults to those who use the American bald eagle as an icon speaks to the distinctive lack of class your words convey as well as the contempt you hold for those who don't share your perspective. What happened to the tolerance you once professed in one of your early posts?

The American eagle became the centerpiece of the Great Seal of the United States in 1782 It was officially designate as the National Emblem in 1787. The eagle stands for the spirit of liberty and freedom so many have sacrificed so much for. The people I served with would treat disrespecting the eagle, our national emblem, with the same disdain as someone who desecrated an American flag. Most patriots would as well.

If you look very closely, you would see I chose to use the symbol of the "crying eagle" for my icon. Sometimes, because of technical anomalies connected with this site, the flowing tears don't always show. I selected it because it expressed and symbolized my belief in the insidious erosion of the liberty and freedom our proud national emblem stands for.

Your tasteless rant not withstanding, and with support for your right to act out in demeaning, disrespectful expressions .....I will use the eagle with pride, and hope for our country's return to our founding principles. God bless America.

Thank you. Wonderfully spoken.

Originally Posted by Number 6

I still haven't seen a George Bush "lie" here. Let's look at the quotes though-

Quote 1: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - this is quoted in the following press statement (now conveniently missing, of course, although widely quoted at the time) Sen. Ted Kennedy

Quote 2: "In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them." - this from the floor of the Senate, as quoted on the Authorization of Force website. Sen. John Kerry

Quote 3: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." - from Meet The Press on November 17, 2002, as quoted on DemocracyNow.com Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Quote 4: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - this was quoted in the Washington Post on September 23, 2002 Sen. Al Gore

Quote 5: "The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability." - from October of 2002, as quoted on Tim Russert's program on February 27, 2007 Sen. John Edwards

So were these five quotes lies?

You will NEVER get an answer to your question !!!

This statement about lies has been repeated so much that those who repeat it have made it a fact. It is revisionist history coupled with Monday morning quarterbacking !!!

Originally Posted by gnu

I am proud of your nephews, for their service and sacrifice to our country.

That being said, when one joins the service one is subject to the Commander in Chiefs orders. You don't get to pick whether or not you like where or why you are sent, only to serve the Country as ordered. The military way.

YOU may not prefer the reasons they are at risk, no one wants their friends or family in harms way, but ask THEM their emotions on their service to America. I'll bet they are proud of their service, feel that they are contributing to the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan and that they feel that they are protecting their family's safety at home. Heaven forbid that any of them is harmed, but if they are look beyond their sacrifice as being wasted, but as the fighters that keep the world a free from evil.

GNU.... I didn't use the word wasted and I would not. But I do believe that GW Bush really didn't think or care about the troops. (I can hear the incoming now)....One only has to look at the adminstrations policy's towards the troops like the GI Bill and funding of the Vets Hospitals to understand that.

It is my opinion that the Commander and Chief should not ask the troops to make the sacrifice if the war in question is NOT in the defense of the USA. In this case, again in my opinion and I am entitled to my opinion this war was NOT.

Originally Posted by cologal

GNU.... I didn't use the word wasted and I would not. But I do believe that GW Bush really didn't think or care about the troops. (I can hear the incoming now)....One only has to look at the adminstrations policy's towards the troops like the GI Bill and funding of the Vets Hospitals to understand that.

It is my opinion that the Commander and Chief should not ask the troops to make the sacrifice if the war in question is NOT in the defense of the USA. In this case, again in my opinion and I am entitled to my opinion this war was NOT.

Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?

Originally Posted by Number 6

I still haven't seen a George Bush "lie" here. Let's look at the quotes though-

Quote 1: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - this is quoted in the following press statement (now conveniently missing, of course, although widely quoted at the time) Sen. Ted Kennedy

Quote 2: "In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them." - this from the floor of the Senate, as quoted on the Authorization of Force website. Sen. John Kerry

Quote 3: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." - from Meet The Press on November 17, 2002, as quoted on DemocracyNow.com Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Quote 4: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - this was quoted in the Washington Post on September 23, 2002 Sen. Al Gore

Quote 5: "The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability." - from October of 2002, as quoted on Tim Russert's program on February 27, 2007 Sen. John Edwards

So were these five quotes lies?

The President of the United States of America stood before the American Public and told us that Iraq was trying to obtain Yellow Cake from *****. That was a lie pure and simple. We all now know that what the CIA was telling everyone was simply untrue....so a repeated lie is still a lie. So to answer the question then YES. But I was asked to post the lies I thought GW Bush told and I did.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?

Bucco you clearly need an anger management class. Or at least a chill pill.

This post really is off base.

Originally Posted by Bucco

You will NEVER get an answer to your question !!!

This statement about lies has been repeated so much that those who repeat it have made it a fact. It is revisionist history coupled with Monday morning quarterbacking !!!

It has been said you shouldn't ask a question unless you know the answer...in this case you shouldn't predict something like this cause you know what is coming.

I answered the question directly........

Originally Posted by cologal

Bucco you clearly need an anger management class. Or at least a chill pill.

This post really is off base.

No chill pill or anger management needed...not angry at all. Just tired of people saying two things you either said or alluded to...

One,that if I (you) dont think it was justified then it was not justified. We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Second, I think those who died and shed blood in lands like Korea would disagree with you. When you say defense of our country, I suppose your definition is if they are climbing on our shores...or you will say present a DIRECT threat to our country. Oh if only life and the world were that simple and we could have Monday morning quarterback skills on Sunday !