Originally Posted by Guest

Can you tell us the demographic makeup of the Republican party? What percentage of the African American vote did Romney receive and what percentage of the woman vote did Romney receive? What percentage of the Republican party are minorities?

Until the voters perceive the Republicans as a party of inclusion , they are not going to have another President.

You do not read well.

It has been said on a number of posts that the black votes are democratic.

They went after them with an opportunity. The Republicans felt comfortable with that vote because the Democrats were the anti black party.

The democrats deserve a POLITICAL "good job" because they seized an opportunity but have used the US government to maintain that vote.

The manipulation of that single voting block has really hurt this country in a big way.

Any discipline that, such as "policital science", that has to put the word "science" in it's name always creates doubt in my mind as to whether it is really a science. Regardless, Alinski's ideas only work with a dumb electorate, which is what we essentially have. In that regard, I guess you could say he is brilliant for recognizing that most people are dumb.

Originally Posted by Guest

Your points 1-5 are absolutely right.
You do seem to be doing a fair share of attacking personally.
I am not a Democrat. I am a Progressive. I only had one seminar under Saul Alinski. No matter what you think of his political views and methods, he was a brilliant political scientist.
Take care.

Originally Posted by Guest

I have a couple of minor quibbles with your post, which I agree with in the main.

1. Your statement that the Republican party was created to end slavery is a bit overblown. In fact, in a letter to newspaperman Horace Greeley, President Lincoln stated that his sole purpose was to maintain the Union and that if that could be done without freeing any slaves, he was willing to do that. He also felt that after the slaves were freed they should be deported to some other country. He did not envision a racially integrated nation.

2. You neglected to mention that the 14th Amendment, granting citizenship to former slaves, passed with 94% Republican support and 0% (Zero) Democrat support.

3. When the Klan was organized, Democrat and former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest became Grand Wizard, claiming to be the Klan's national leader. The Klan murdered not only freed slaves but also Republicans in the South.

4. The order to racially integrate the military was made by President Truman, not President Eisenhower. It was done on July 26, 1948, by Executive Order 9981. What Eisenhower did do was use the 101st Airborne to enforce court orders to integrate Arkansas public schools.

5. The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed had it not been for manipulation of the rules in the Senate by Republican Leader Mike Mansfield who rushed the bill to the floor for a vote. When President Johnson signed the bill into law he gave the first Ceremonial Pen to Mansfield. He later explained to his daughter Lynda that he did this because the bill would not have passed without the Republicans. She mentioned it in a speech at the LBJ ranch a few years ago.

6. The ludicrous claim that the parties have "switched" on racism is claimed by Democrats who are ashamed of their party's record. They claim that the early Republicans were "liberal" and now the Democrats are "liberal" so there must have been a switch. Perhaps they should research the term "Dixiecrats."

I share the frustration of "Guest" regarding the general ignorance of our history throughout the country.

Thanks for your post.

I had forgotten about Mike Mansfield's involvement in the civil rights passage.

I have calmed down a bit, but am just got weary of these uneducated, history disadvantaged people who post on here. I am weary of the posts claiming how Democrats are the saviors of the disadvantaged, which is ludicrious and so very untrue. I am weary of the calls of racism against all Republicans when the Democratic party was the poster children for racism until the Republican party was able to pass the civil rights bill.

I am also weary of the posters that are just intellectually unable to respond to others and have an discussion, and show their true character with the calls of "racists", "bigots" and references to white sheets (which their political party invented).

Thanks again for your post

Originally Posted by Guest

Thanks for your post.

I had forgotten about Mike Mansfield's involvement in the civil rights passage.

I have calmed down a bit, but am just got weary of these uneducated, history disadvantaged people who post on here. I am weary of the posts claiming how Democrats are the saviors of the disadvantaged, which is ludicrious and so very untrue. I am weary of the calls of racism against all Republicans when the Democratic party was the poster children for racism until the Republican party was able to pass the civil rights bill.

I am also weary of the posters that are just intellectually unable to respond to others and have an discussion, and show their true character with the calls of "racists", "bigots" and references to white sheets (which their political party invented).

Thanks again for your post

Sounds like you need some sleep.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sounds like you need some sleep.

Thank you for your concern, but I am well rested.

Need to be...will seem like my wife and I are having a class reunion this weekend. A number of college classmates stopping by, so sleep may be at a premium this weekend.

Trump's Miss USA show will be done by a cable network called Reelz. What kind of viewership will that get?

Anyhow, I am glad to see all those wonderful young ladies will not have binged and purged all those years for nothing.

Good going, Reelz!

Originally Posted by Guest

5. The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 would not have passed had it not been for manipulation of the rules in the Senate by Republican Leader Mike Mansfield who rushed the bill to the floor for a vote. When President Johnson signed the bill into law he gave the first Ceremonial Pen to Mansfield. He later explained to his daughter Lynda that he did this because the bill would not have passed without the Republicans. She mentioned it in a speech at the LBJ ranch a few years ago.

Mansfield was a Democrat so that story does not make sense. It is true that without the GOP votes the Civil rights bill would have failed. That is because a large number of Democrat senators were Dixiecrats and many later left the Dem party and joined the GOP. The Dirksens and Rockefellers of the 1960 GOP would no longer be welcome in the modern party, just as the Thurmonds and Wallaces would no longer be welcome in the Dem party of today.

Originally Posted by Guest

Mansfield was a Democrat so that story does not make sense. It is true that without the GOP votes the Civil rights bill would have failed. That is because a large number of Democrat senators were Dixiecrats and many later left the Dem party and joined the GOP. The Dirksens and Rockefellers of the 1960 GOP would no longer be welcome in the modern party, just as the Thurmonds and Wallaces would no longer be welcome in the Dem party of today.

Much of what you say is true, but this conversation on this forum on this day alluded to the "holier than thou" liberal Democratic posters alluding to, implying, and actually attacking anyone not a Democrat as a racist,bigot, white sheet carrying person,

The intent was to finally call to their attention that they, the liberal movement, and the Democratic Party were in fact the owners of racism, began much if it and yet act as if they are the chosen ones.

If you know history, then you are aware of the racist, bigoted roots of their movement. They condemn an entire party with their UN educated posts.

This entire conversation was rooted in that premise.

Applauding the Democratic Party for smart politics in the 60's and 70's in how they manipulated the minority vote is in line, but to ignore the fact that they did and still do manipulate that vote , now to the detriment of our country, is just plain not paying attention

I do not know where I read this and cannot enclose in quotes, but the thought is, to me, spot on, recently.

This involves all the name calling and labeling that takes place on here and other places...

While claiming to embrace individuality, the central idea of liberalism is actually groupthink. If you disagree, you are a fool and in need to be re educated or deserving of ridicule. Opposition should not be listened to and discussed in an open forum, but mocked. In other words, liberalism is what it claims to dislike: Forced conformity.

My apologies to the author, but as I read on here, this becomes so clear.

I suppose that now "Star Trek" will now totally disappear from our tv' and join "Dukes Of Hazard"


"George Takei has come under fire this week for calling Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas a “clown in George Takei has come under fire this week for calling Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas a “clown in blackface” over the judge's stance on marriage equality. However, the “Star Trek” actor insists that his comment was not racially motivated” over the judge's stance on marriage equality."

George Takei Calls Justice Clarence Thomas A 'Clown In Blackface' Over Marriage Equality Dissent

Originally Posted by Guest

I suppose that now "Star Trek" will now totally disappear from our tv' and join "Dukes Of Hazard"


"George Takei has come under fire this week for calling Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas a “clown in George Takei has come under fire this week for calling Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas a “clown in blackface” over the judge's stance on marriage equality. However, the “Star Trek” actor insists that his comment was not racially motivated” over the judge's stance on marriage equality."

George Takei Calls Justice Clarence Thomas A 'Clown In Blackface' Over Marriage Equality Dissent

Well, there is no doubt about it. Clarence Thomas IS a clown. I would just go along with that and leave the second part out. That wasn't appropriate.

Trump no 2. (Out of 14).

Originally Posted by Guest

Well, there is no doubt about it. Clarence Thomas IS a clown. I would just go along with that and leave the second part out. That wasn't appropriate.

"Not appropriate" ?

Not racist ? Not bigoted ? Not a white sheet Tea Partier ?

Hmmmmm...guess it depends on the target

Originally Posted by Guest

Trump no 2. (Out of 14).

This is what happens to your poll numbers in the GOP primary when you insult immigrants | Eclectablog


Only in the republican party do you zoom to the top of the heap by insulting immigrants, calling them rapists and other insults. The louder the argle-gargle, the higher he'll rise. Happy days are here again.

iNCREDIBLE.

4th of July weekend starting with terror threats
Negotiations with Iran on going
ISIS continues to kill at will
Greece is broke

And the only thing on cable news is DONALD TRUMP, and one comment on immigration, yet to be proven untrue by the way.

He must be getting inside someones head because he is not going to get the nomination yet that is all we hear about.

Incredible, can't wait to discuss Hillary Clinton and..

Her money
Her character
Her emails
Her record as Secy of State