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Can't you stupid Femo-Fascists do anything besides hen-party?

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Originally Posted by Guest

Actually leaving right now but will address this when I return.

I do know that he does not like your hero, Trump for many of the same reasons I do not....."But his overriding focus this campaign season has been on Trump, whom he views as not only a fake Republican, but a legitimately dangerous figure."

Explaining Ben Shapiro’s Messy, Ethnic-Slur-Laden Breakup With Breitbart

He spends too much time discussing race, ethnicity, etc for me. He and others from Briebart make this a career, discussing others religions and color

Will be interested in hearing more as this piece does not seem to back your statement. It seems HE is the one who is being attacked. Anyway, I've listened to him in the past and have not gotten the same feel as you have. I don't remember him focusing on race, etc, in his lectures.

I know he did not like Trump. Believe it or not, one does not have to be a Trump supporter for me to think they are worthy of an ear. In fact, it looks as if he and I may have voted for the same candidate in the primaries. Unlike you, and probably him, I couldn't vote for a candidate in the general election who had no chance of winning and thereby possibly throw the election to Hillary. I'm not saying that in judgment, just that personally I couldn't have done it.

Originally Posted by Guest

Will be interested in hearing more as this piece does not seem to back your statement. It seems HE is the one who is being attacked. Anyway, I've listened to him in the past and have not gotten the same feel as you have. I don't remember him focusing on race, etc, in his lectures.

I know he did not like Trump. Believe it or not, one does not have to be a Trump supporter for me to think they are worthy of an ear. In fact, it looks as if he and I may have voted for the same candidate in the primaries. Unlike you, and probably him, I couldn't vote for a candidate in the general election who had no chance of winning and thereby possibly throw the election to Hillary. I'm not saying that in judgment, just that personally I couldn't have done it.

I think this is a good post.

What a lot of people don't understand is that a lot of Trump voters were voting against both the Democrat and Republican parties. The continued bunch of extremism from both sides. The forced politically correct things we were expected to say. We got a lot of unexpected stuff, but none of it is as bad as Hillary would have been, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Guest

I think this is a good post.

What a lot of people don't understand is that a lot of Trump voters were voting against both the Democrat and Republican parties. The continued bunch of extremism from both sides. The forced politically correct things we were expected to say. We got a lot of unexpected stuff, but none of it is as bad as Hillary would have been, in my opinion.

Well you know how I feel about Hillary Clinton Gracie...and for those of you who called me various names, just search the user name BUCCO and you will find my feelings.

I do understand much of the voting and why...that is easy.

What I do not understand is the allowance given to the White House to destroy the institution of the Presdency and to destroy our reputation in foreign lands. By reputation, many feel that is a macho thing.....gee....we are so strong, etc, but I am speaking of honesty and integrity. NOBODY in the world trusts us any more because of what exudes from the Presidency.

I do understand the vote, but supporting this total and complete denigration of america is well beyond me. To actually support the condemnation of our first ammendment....to actually support the false accusations...to actually support the hate that comes from our White House is just not acceptable, but you still support it.

It cant be because he is accomplishing anything....not one piece of legislation...he certainly does not stand for anything at all. He is more of a liberal than a Republican in all ways.

Yet, he has your support and all of this support seems to be predicated on his hate of certain groups, all social.

You can say what you want, and I will support on the election but your are responsible for your support from here. To hear him parade young boys in hate chants or love chants on him....to hear him totally destroy war hero's with his words.....to hear what he says about anyone who might disagree with him....to hear you support his lack of even a small amount of respect for what made this country great is simply demoralizing.

You may think it is great and macho what he says....I think it is disgraceful and mean spirited, and violates all that great men have fought for and died for over the years. His brand of false and phony patriotism does nothing for me.......he is about himself and his family.

There is so much evidence, factual despite his personal attacks on reporters or the media, YET you still support him...are silent in his terrible performance as a leader.

Originally Posted by Guest

Will be interested in hearing more as this piece does not seem to back your statement. It seems HE is the one who is being attacked. Anyway, I've listened to him in the past and have not gotten the same feel as you have. I don't remember him focusing on race, etc, in his lectures.

I know he did not like Trump. Believe it or not, one does not have to be a Trump supporter for me to think they are worthy of an ear. In fact, it looks as if he and I may have voted for the same candidate in the primaries. Unlike you, and probably him, I couldn't vote for a candidate in the general election who had no chance of winning and thereby possibly throw the election to Hillary. I'm not saying that in judgment, just that personally I couldn't have done it.

While watching the NFL today, I will do some reading on my iPad.

Perhaps all I ever saw was remarks on race, religion, etc. I am interested in our nation..ALL OF US, and thus have a tendency to ignore comments that are aimed at slotting Americans into cage with a label.

Plus, I do not ever visit any of the sites he is associated with, but promise to do some reading.

I responded to Gracie right away because I hate to be talked down to. When you start out by saying...what a lot of people don't understand, flags go up. If you don't understand, why would you even be on a political forum ?

I get it...I undersatand and to try and insure your superiority of knowledge when I know more than the person putting me in my place...it is offensive to me.

Glad you are not judging my vote...most on here seem to just mock it.

Neither candidate in my opinion deserved even consideration, and shame on the parties and the primary system. BUT, as I said to Gracie....the reason does not allow any American to support a person who is doing to our country what he is doing.

To hope a 70 year old man who has lived a disgraceful, immoral, racially motivated, egoititical life to change is just not a Bit reasonable to me. It just defies logic, and one year in, almost, he makes my point. Monetary success does not make a man. Weinstein was successful, just like Trump, and they both behaved like pigs in their personal life. Would you vote for Weinstein ?

Originally Posted by Guest

Will be interested in hearing more as this piece does not seem to back your statement. It seems HE is the one who is being attacked. Anyway, I've listened to him in the past and have not gotten the same feel as you have. I don't remember him focusing on race, etc, in his lectures.

I know he did not like Trump. Believe it or not, one does not have to be a Trump supporter for me to think they are worthy of an ear. In fact, it looks as if he and I may have voted for the same candidate in the primaries. Unlike you, and probably him, I couldn't vote for a candidate in the general election who had no chance of winning and thereby possibly throw the election to Hillary. I'm not saying that in judgment, just that personally I couldn't have done it.

First, that did not take long.

I actually agree with this man on most. Perhaps all the quotes I have read, and from my small taste, might be correct, had to do with religion, or race.

I read a number of articles on him, both pro and con.

Let me give you his statement, that on the surface I agree with totally.....

"I will never vote for Donald Trump because I stand with certain principles. I stand with small government and free markets and religious freedom and personal responsibility. Donald Trump stands against all of these things. He stands for Planned Parenthood and trade restrictions and targeting of political enemies and an anti-morality foreign policy and government domination of religion and nastiness toward women and tacit appeals to racism and unbounded personal power. I stand with the Constitution of theUnited States, and its embedded protection of my God-given rights through governmental checks and balances. Donald Trump does not. I stand with conservatism. Donald Trump stands against it.
I stand with #NeverTrump."

Explaining Ben Shapiro’s Messy, Ethnic-Slur-Laden Breakup With Breitbart

This I agree with. Those who think they furthered conservatism or morals by supporting this person are so very very wrong.

This following comment was just a note in anothr article, but so very correct. It is also something I have tried to say many times, but on here the Trump folks look at everything as you are either with or against....they believe they are supporting conservatism, but that is bunk. They are supporting the extreme..very extreme alt right...

"Constitutional conservatives can’t stand the alt-right. Conservatives — real conservatives — believe that only a philosophy of limited government, God-given rights and personal responsibility can save the country. And that creed is not bound to race or ethnicity. Broad swaths of the alt-right, by contrast, believe in a creed-free, race-based nationalism, insisting, among other things, that birth on American soil confers superiority. The alt-right sees limited-government constitutionalism as passé; it holds that only nationalist populism on the basis of shared tribal identity can save the country. It’s a movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism."



The Breitbart alt-right just took over the GOP - The Washington Post

And lastly, a link to a piece criticizing him which you may want to read.

The Hollow Bravery of Ben Shapiro - The New York Times

Thanks for being stubborn because I will pay more attention to him, although because of my reading, I re read the initial link on the media and thought it was contrived, not a realistic depiction of NEWS inaccuracy, and in some cases, in my opinion a false result was shown.

But, he and I share many viewpoints and those on here who think Trump is a conservative hero might oay attention.

He is a alt right extremist. I believe that can be fatal to this country. You, in my opinion, have false hopes for this President, and become part of the problem by supporting him. The bigotry, and apparent need to further our divides, along with what can only be called a total lack of morals and character is beyond troubling. He lied his way in, and is lying still.

Originally Posted by Guest

First, that did not take long.

I actually agree with this man on most. Perhaps all the quotes I have read, and from my small taste, might be correct, had to do with religion, or race.

I read a number of articles on him, both pro and con.

Let me give you his statement, that on the surface I agree with totally.....

"I will never vote for Donald Trump because I stand with certain principles. I stand with small government and free markets and religious freedom and personal responsibility. Donald Trump stands against all of these things. He stands for Planned Parenthood and trade restrictions and targeting of political enemies and an anti-morality foreign policy and government domination of religion and nastiness toward women and tacit appeals to racism and unbounded personal power. I stand with the Constitution of theUnited States, and its embedded protection of my God-given rights through governmental checks and balances. Donald Trump does not. I stand with conservatism. Donald Trump stands against it.
I stand with #NeverTrump."

Explaining Ben Shapiro’s Messy, Ethnic-Slur-Laden Breakup With Breitbart

This I agree with. Those who think they furthered conservatism or morals by supporting this person are so very very wrong.

This following comment was just a note in anothr article, but so very correct. It is also something I have tried to say many times, but on here the Trump folks look at everything as you are either with or against....they believe they are supporting conservatism, but that is bunk. They are supporting the extreme..very extreme alt right...

"Constitutional conservatives can’t stand the alt-right. Conservatives — real conservatives — believe that only a philosophy of limited government, God-given rights and personal responsibility can save the country. And that creed is not bound to race or ethnicity. Broad swaths of the alt-right, by contrast, believe in a creed-free, race-based nationalism, insisting, among other things, that birth on American soil confers superiority. The alt-right sees limited-government constitutionalism as passé; it holds that only nationalist populism on the basis of shared tribal identity can save the country. It’s a movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism."



The Breitbart alt-right just took over the GOP - The Washington Post

And lastly, a link to a piece criticizing him which you may want to read.

The Hollow Bravery of Ben Shapiro - The New York Times

Thanks for being stubborn because I will pay more attention to him, although because of my reading, I re read the initial link on the media and thought it was contrived, not a realistic depiction of NEWS inaccuracy, and in some cases, in my opinion a false result was shown.

But, he and I share many viewpoints and those on here who think Trump is a conservative hero might oay attention.

He is a alt right extremist. I believe that can be fatal to this country. You, in my opinion, have false hopes for this President, and become part of the problem by supporting him. The bigotry, and apparent need to further our divides, along with what can only be called a total lack of morals and character is beyond troubling. He lied his way in, and is lying still.

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Can't you stupid Femo-Fascists do anything besides hen-party?

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Originally Posted by Guest

First, that did not take long.

I actually agree with this man on most. Perhaps all the quotes I have read, and from my small taste, might be correct, had to do with religion, or race.

I read a number of articles on him, both pro and con.

Let me give you his statement, that on the surface I agree with totally.....

"I will never vote for Donald Trump because I stand with certain principles. I stand with small government and free markets and religious freedom and personal responsibility. Donald Trump stands against all of these things. He stands for Planned Parenthood and trade restrictions and targeting of political enemies and an anti-morality foreign policy and government domination of religion and nastiness toward women and tacit appeals to racism and unbounded personal power. I stand with the Constitution of theUnited States, and its embedded protection of my God-given rights through governmental checks and balances. Donald Trump does not. I stand with conservatism. Donald Trump stands against it.
I stand with #NeverTrump."

Explaining Ben Shapiro’s Messy, Ethnic-Slur-Laden Breakup With Breitbart

This I agree with. Those who think they furthered conservatism or morals by supporting this person are so very very wrong.

This following comment was just a note in anothr article, but so very correct. It is also something I have tried to say many times, but on here the Trump folks look at everything as you are either with or against....they believe they are supporting conservatism, but that is bunk. They are supporting the extreme..very extreme alt right...

"Constitutional conservatives can’t stand the alt-right. Conservatives — real conservatives — believe that only a philosophy of limited government, God-given rights and personal responsibility can save the country. And that creed is not bound to race or ethnicity. Broad swaths of the alt-right, by contrast, believe in a creed-free, race-based nationalism, insisting, among other things, that birth on American soil confers superiority. The alt-right sees limited-government constitutionalism as passé; it holds that only nationalist populism on the basis of shared tribal identity can save the country. It’s a movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism."



The Breitbart alt-right just took over the GOP - The Washington Post

And lastly, a link to a piece criticizing him which you may want to read.

The Hollow Bravery of Ben Shapiro - The New York Times

Thanks for being stubborn because I will pay more attention to him, although because of my reading, I re read the initial link on the media and thought it was contrived, not a realistic depiction of NEWS inaccuracy, and in some cases, in my opinion a false result was shown.

But, he and I share many viewpoints and those on here who think Trump is a conservative hero might oay attention.

He is a alt right extremist. I believe that can be fatal to this country. You, in my opinion, have false hopes for this President, and become part of the problem by supporting him. The bigotry, and apparent need to further our divides, along with what can only be called a total lack of morals and character is beyond troubling. He lied his way in, and is lying still.

You make some good points and I will take a look at those links when I get a chance......getting ready to go out here shortly myself. Just one quick question I have for you in the meantime. What is it you think that those of us who appear to continue to support Trump, should do at this point? I ask this, not facetiously or sarcastically, but honestly. My viewpoint is that he is our President, and like him or not, I would want this country to succeed not fail. Let me further explain that since my background comes from one that is more faith based than some, I always believe that God is in the details and I know He can use people for good whether they are His people or not. In saying that, maybe you will understand why my viewpoint is one of more optimism than another person's. I can't control whether he is the President or not at this point and I don't think spending my time tearing him down is going to help or change anything, nor is it good for my well-being. Your thoughts?

Hey, it's Sunday.......I had to throw my "sermon" in there.

Originally Posted by Guest

You make some good points and I will take a look at those links when I get a chance......getting ready to go out here shortly myself. Just one quick question I have for you in the meantime. What is it you think that those of us who appear to continue to support Trump, should do at this point? I ask this, not facetiously or sarcastically, but honestly. My viewpoint is that he is our President, and like him or not, I would want this country to succeed not fail. Let me further explain that since my background comes from one that is more faith based than some, I always believe that God is in the details and I know He can use people for good whether they are His people or not. In saying that, maybe you will understand why my viewpoint is one of more optimism than another person's. I can't control whether he is the President or not at this point and I don't think spending my time tearing him down is going to help or change anything, nor is it good for my well-being. Your thoughts?

Hey, it's Sunday.......I had to throw my "sermon" in there.

Great question.

I do not know. I DO know that the acceptance of all his incredible misbehavior and the dismissal of the media as liars and the fact that people who are now becoming accustomed to such terrible, gross behavior by our President should GREATLY concern all Americans.

We have a poster, Rubicon who has diagnosed me and others with a syndrome. I am attacked as some sort of closet Clinton supporter. And wish that was the only attack, but the acceptance that comes so easy to you and others will just stay with you, and I think it is called gradualism.

I simply want people to make decisions based on truth, not lies. I want to disagree with our President, no matter his policies, on substance if policies. I want to stop attacking our hard working government folks because they do not like him, or more importantly do not trust him.

We are allowing by submitting a very new low standard be set.

No, nobody on here will change the world, but this "sickness" is spreading, helped of course by our President who actually thinks investigating a factual intrusion is a hoax. Read the reactions Trump supporters have, or the racial component visible always with him. If nobody cares..if nobody objects it simply gets worse.

Abby, I am not preaching. ThevTrump supporters on this forum fit the general rule, and don't attack..there are real exceptions but for the most part treat this like a Jim Jones type thing. Even though he lies to them, they find it acceptable. So many voted for him out of hate (for Clinton or Obama) but continue support. He thrives on that "love" hence all his rallies.

I can only express my valid and real fear of where this is heading...we do not shout out when he is racist. We don't shout out when he lies to us.

I am just scared. I believe in my heart that our institutions are under attack by the extremes. We, on this forum, will attack the NFL because he said to do it. He never mention the NFL charities, nor his long battle against the NFL because of his personal feud dating back to their burying him when he tried to move in their market.

I am saddened how he is twisting the very definition of patriotism and how he is giving life to the hate groups.

I suppose it is just difficult for me not to react to such a terrible threat to our country.

By the way, it is not good for your well being. To be subjected to actual sermons based on NOTHING is tough. So many posters represent all his bad traits as well. I have seen so much open racism, but more scary is the hidden, subtle racism by posters I "know" from years back. Such hypocrites they are.

I do know since you asked personally, that continually supporting him on here or anywhere will simply "lock you in". When you tell me the media is lying about him, you are simply diluting yourself, and you will continue to accept more lies

Originally Posted by Guest

First, that did not take long.

I actually agree with this man on most. Perhaps all the quotes I have read, and from my small taste, might be correct, had to do with religion, or race.

I read a number of articles on him, both pro and con.

Let me give you his statement, that on the surface I agree with totally.....

"I will never vote for Donald Trump because I stand with certain principles. I stand with small government and free markets and religious freedom and personal responsibility. Donald Trump stands against all of these things. He stands for Planned Parenthood and trade restrictions and targeting of political enemies and an anti-morality foreign policy and government domination of religion and nastiness toward women and tacit appeals to racism and unbounded personal power. I stand with the Constitution of theUnited States, and its embedded protection of my God-given rights through governmental checks and balances. Donald Trump does not. I stand with conservatism. Donald Trump stands against it.
I stand with #NeverTrump."

Explaining Ben Shapiro’s Messy, Ethnic-Slur-Laden Breakup With Breitbart

This I agree with. Those who think they furthered conservatism or morals by supporting this person are so very very wrong.

This following comment was just a note in anothr article, but so very correct. It is also something I have tried to say many times, but on here the Trump folks look at everything as you are either with or against....they believe they are supporting conservatism, but that is bunk. They are supporting the extreme..very extreme alt right...

"Constitutional conservatives can’t stand the alt-right. Conservatives — real conservatives — believe that only a philosophy of limited government, God-given rights and personal responsibility can save the country. And that creed is not bound to race or ethnicity. Broad swaths of the alt-right, by contrast, believe in a creed-free, race-based nationalism, insisting, among other things, that birth on American soil confers superiority. The alt-right sees limited-government constitutionalism as passé; it holds that only nationalist populism on the basis of shared tribal identity can save the country. It’s a movement shot through with racism and anti-Semitism."



The Breitbart alt-right just took over the GOP - The Washington Post

And lastly, a link to a piece criticizing him which you may want to read.

The Hollow Bravery of Ben Shapiro - The New York Times

Thanks for being stubborn because I will pay more attention to him, although because of my reading, I re read the initial link on the media and thought it was contrived, not a realistic depiction of NEWS inaccuracy, and in some cases, in my opinion a false result was shown.

But, he and I share many viewpoints and those on here who think Trump is a conservative hero might oay attention.

He is a alt right extremist. I believe that can be fatal to this country. You, in my opinion, have false hopes for this President, and become part of the problem by supporting him. The bigotry, and apparent need to further our divides, along with what can only be called a total lack of morals and character is beyond troubling. He lied his way in, and is lying still.

Originally Posted by Guest

You make some good points and I will take a look at those links when I get a chance......getting ready to go out here shortly myself. Just one quick question I have for you in the meantime. What is it you think that those of us who appear to continue to support Trump, should do at this point? I ask this, not facetiously or sarcastically, but honestly. My viewpoint is that he is our President, and like him or not, I would want this country to succeed not fail. Let me further explain that since my background comes from one that is more faith based than some, I always believe that God is in the details and I know He can use people for good whether they are His people or not. In saying that, maybe you will understand why my viewpoint is one of more optimism than another person's. I can't control whether he is the President or not at this point and I don't think spending my time tearing him down is going to help or change anything, nor is it good for my well-being. Your thoughts?

Hey, it's Sunday.......I had to throw my "sermon" in there.

Aren't these rather trivial details compared to the elephant-in-the-room big-picture issues, like:



The Magic Sentences of Liberty

Liberty is a poetic term for property rights.

Therefore there are only two kind of laws:

Type 1) those that protect property rights

Type 2) and those that attack property rights <--- where Femo-Fascism lives

"Have the government do unto others and their property as you'd have the government do unto you, and your property."

We can eliminate 90% of the crap we call politics with first principles of liberty.

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rockface

Plus, you folks say the media lies in the news,....that you cannot ever prove...they do not.

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rockface

Read the news and see how that was used AGAINST US during the election in what was NOT a hoax, but an invasion by a foreign country.

So the news during the election was a lie but the news today is not a lie??

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rockface

Mr Shapiro is a known white supremicist. He has also authored many satire stories.

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rockface

Also this morning a poster used a link to a known white supremicist and extreme right wing blogger.

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rockface

I actually agree with this man on most. Perhaps all the quotes I have read, and from my small taste, might be correct, had to do with religion, or race.

Well that is conviction...

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rockface

He spends too much time discussing race, ethnicity, etc for me. He and others from Briebart make this a career, discussing others religions and color

Originally Posted by Flip Flop Rockface

Fox has become a lot of commentary with a lot of gals with short skirts talking as if they know something.

Race, ethnicity, etc...I guess if they made sexist comments, that would be Ok with you.

Originally Posted by Guest

I couldn't vote for a candidate in the general election who had no chance of winning and thereby possibly throw the election to Hillary. I'm not saying that in judgment, just that personally I couldn't have done it.

Could you vote for someone that was not even a candidate? If not, why?

Originally Posted by Rockface

While watching the NFL today, I will do some reading on my iPad.

Maybe while you are kneeling during the National Anthem...

Originally Posted by Rockface

I responded to Gracie right away because I hate to be talked down to. When you start out by saying...what a lot of people don't understand, flags go up. If you don't understand, why would you even be on a political forum ?

Go see a shrink; The reason you responded to Grace is you have a hard on for her, just like you have one for Rubi...If you don't understand yourself, you are going to struggle understanding others.