CMANN-- I don't know if Janmcn is serious or being sarcastic. Maybe your right and it is Michelle, but I don't think she is that crazy about him.

Maybe you are being good boys and girls, so Santa will come visit...to get back on topic:

I'm disappointed in economy and was hopeful that Obama could clean it up but it is an uphill battle....The only Rep. that I like is Huntsman....I would love to have confidence in our congress again but afraid that the system will not allow congress to police themselves....but I'm always hopeful...I think Obama has been intelligent and tough on terrorist!....This election will be close..

Originally Posted by notlongnow

For a point of reference could you tell me what you think the Rep. party stands for?
That sounds like a very sweeping comment.

And for my info could you tell me what Obama or the Dems stand for so I can see the difference.

Frankly I don't even know where to begin. What the Republicans don't stand for is easier to articulate: Support for a strong middle class, freedom of choice for women, protecting our fragile environment, any regulation of business, education, rejection of torture, compassion for those less fortunate in our society, increasing taxes under any circumstances, controlling the possession of guns, expecting the rich to pay their fair share, compromise and bi-partisonship, putting the peoples interest ahead of their obsession with blocking our President..gosh I could go on and on but I think you get my drift.
Obviously, I believe the Democrats stand for the opposite and that is what I believe in.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Frankly I don't even know where to begin. What the Republicans don't stand for is easier to articulate: Support for a strong middle class, freedom of choice for women, protecting our fragile environment, any regulation of business, education, rejection of torture, compassion for those less fortunate in our society, increasing taxes under any circumstances, controlling the possession of guns, expecting the rich to pay their fair share, compromise and bi-partisonship, putting the peoples interest ahead of their obsession with blocking our President..gosh I could go on and on but I think you get my drift.
Obviously, I believe the Democrats stand for the opposite and that is what I believe in.

I am not exactly sure of what EITHER party stands for. During the primary in 2008, many expressed the same type of comments concerning the Democratic party....that is what the primary is for....a candidate is chosen BY THE PARTY...then at the convention, a PLATFORM is put together.

Even with that, to me, the President's most important role is LEADING. He/she cannot pass any laws at all. We need a leader in the White House and then begin to get rid of many long time incumbents in Congress.

The "paying their fair share" is talk that is relatively new. The Bush tax cuts were fine with both parties and the difference between the two parties is NOT class warfare as is pushed in the media and by some groups, but a discussion of what is best to promote growth and the economy. I have never heard anyone in the Republican party invoke what you say....now I have heard Democrats try to frame the issue with those words, but neither party..NEITHER party will agree to make allowances in the tax code of any substance that would accomplish what we all want.

We tend to over simplify these things and put an R or a D next to them when it is BOTH parties who hold up our growth.

We need a leader in the WH and quickly as we are sinking.

it is much easier to take a position like Nancy Pelosi does...her comments when she first took over the position of speaker, when asked what her position was on an issue, she responded "...that is easy, I am against anything the republicans are for...".

I must say that seems to be the position far too dems hold on many political forums either internet based or public.

btk

Seeing as how Congress has a 12% approval rating, it would seem most americans agree with her.

It would not be surprising to see the Dems take the House back in 12 months.

Originally Posted by jebartle

Maybe you are being good boys and girls, so Santa will come visit...to get back on topic:

I'm disappointed in economy and was hopeful that Obama could clean it up but it is an uphill battle....The only Rep. that I like is Huntsman....I would love to have confidence in our congress again but afraid that the system will not allow congress to police themselves....but I'm always hopeful...I think Obama has been intelligent and tough on terrorist!....This election will be close..

actually fixing the economy should be all downhill. Get the government out of the way and just let it roll. The free-market system is more capable of taking care of itself then politicians and central planners are.

Wow, Kinda sounds like a talking point memo from MSNBC, but I will start at the top.

Support for a strong middle class

I would like to see some evidence that they are against this. Small business and low tax rates are what makes a strong middle class. Obama has done nothing to help in this area except keep the Bush tax cuts.
He has attacked small business every opportunity he gets.
Dems made it possible for low income and lower middle class people to afford a home that they could not afford and now have to give back because it was not about the middle class after all it was about linning their pockets, both sides I have to say.
What have the dems done to help the "middle class"?

protecting our fragile environment

First you have to agree on what the problem "is" then work on the enviroment.
Dems want to fix it and then see what the problem is. As it turns out Obama is helping the "fragile enviroment" by giving out money to his supporters to make products that nobody, including the middle class, want or can afford.
Dems want the oil and gas business shut down, raising fuel cost once again hurting the "middle class"!!
Reps want to drill in an enviromentally safe way to lower energy cost and our dependence on foriegn oil.

any regulation of business

An exaggeration at best. Reps want business to thrive and create jobs and, oh my god, make money.
Dems think business is there to send money to the government and make sure everybody has retirement and health care for the rest of their life, because it is a right you know!
It was the regulation of the mortgage business that got us into the mess we are in. Not all regulation is good regulation.
Do you think just because they pass regulations a problem is solved?

education

Reps are for freedom of choice on where and how you get your education.
Dems will go to the grave thinking that the old system with more money thrown at it will just keep on working and that it is better run by Washington DC. Look at their schools in DC, Not a good example of what government can do.

rejection of torture

How about definition of torture first. I don't think we are cutting off any heads or hands, now that is torture. I don't believe that water boarding is torture. Now I don't want it to be used on me so I don't vow to kill every american so I don't get that treatment.
Do you think it would be better if we just ask them nicely? I know in the left leaning world everything is roses and everybody just wants to get along but that is not the case. Reps are not FOR torture, they against the murder of our citizens!

compassion for those less fortunate in our society

Like what? I know I am compassionate and I am not sure what area you are talking about but I believe that we as americans give more to our poor here and in the whole world than all other conties combined.
Now if you are talking WSO, I don't think that is about compassion. It is more about seeing a bunch of young educated drop outs sitting around talking on their cell phones, wearing their corporate logo shirts, ipads, latte espressos and then gripping about greedy corporate america.
I wish I had three months to camp out and not work.
Oh, they have no jobs, ask Obama where they are, he said it will not sleep until he gets the job done "job number one". He must be very tired by now with loosing all that sleep all over the world.

increasing taxes under any circumstances

I am starting to be with you on this one. I think that that has hurt the reps more than anything. Even the uber rich don't care if they pay more so tax them and get on with it. The thing is it is a drop in the bucket and will do nothing until Washington stops spending! Do you think it should be on the middle class too or just the people you wish you could be?

controlling the possession of guns

This makes me laugh! Have you ever heard of fast and furious? Boy the dems are on top of this one.
Guns are not the problem, criminals are. We have 100s of gun laws on the books. I bet one more will do the trick.

compromise and bi-partisonship

You have got to be kidding!!! Anybody that points at either side for this is not being honest with themselves. Pelosi and Reed are a model of compromise aren't they. If they don't like it, they don't bring it to a vote.
Nice compromise.
I guess your idea of compromise is reps need to give in because the dems are obviously right on everything.
Both sides are as partison as they have ever been in my life time thanks to Bush, Clinton, Bush and oh yeah now your saviour, Obama.

obsession with blocking our President

Boy I am glad they are. I wish they would have before health care went through with all of that non-partisonship and compromise you were talking about.
Which leads me to one I forgot, Womens rights.
Wow! women in the USA have more rights, all of them I believe, then anywhere else in the world. But I bet you are just talking about abortion.
Last time I looked it was legal and I don't think that is going to change anytime soon. I think you use it as a hollow complaint because it sounds good to the left.
That being said I think it has no place in politics at all. It should be a womens choice, not yours, not mine, not government, not Obama care, just theirs.
It is just the same old BLAH BLAH BLAH every election and nothing changes.

By the way back to womens right, compromise and dems, how about that concern the dems had for women in the health care bill where they compromised by taking it out of the bill. There is your dems concern for womens rights.

I know that you are so deep in your beliefs that none of this will matter to you but a simple list of things without a fact attatched is what I am use to seeing.

The reps are no saints, we are not electing a Pope. But to think that your dems have got it all right is a laugh. We are probably in trouble with your guy or the next.

It would seem that a voter's choice will be an easy one. If you are leaning toward Obama and the Democrats you can expect a continuation of a movement to the European model. In otherwords a government take over of our economy with an accompany heavy tax increase to support it.

On the other side if you are leaning toward Republicans you can expect growth policies reduction in taxes.

Do you want to build the public sector or do you want to build the private sector?

I'd rather work for a guy like Steve Jobs than a Barack Obama.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

Wow, Kinda sounds like a talking point memo from MSNBC, but I will start at the top.


I would like to see some evidence that they are against this. Small business and low tax rates are what makes a strong middle class. Obama has done nothing to help in this area except keep the Bush tax cuts.
He has attacked small business every opportunity he gets.
Dems made it possible for low income and lower middle class people to afford a home that they could not afford and now have to give back because it was not about the middle class after all it was about linning their pockets, both sides I have to say.
What have the dems done to help the "middle class"?


First you have to agree on what the problem "is" then work on the enviroment.
Dems want to fix it and then see what the problem is. As it turns out Obama is helping the "fragile enviroment" by giving out money to his supporters to make products that nobody, including the middle class, want or can afford.
Dems want the oil and gas business shut down, raising fuel cost once again hurting the "middle class"!!
Reps want to drill in an enviromentally safe way to lower energy cost and our dependence on foriegn oil.



An exaggeration at best. Reps want business to thrive and create jobs and, oh my god, make money.
Dems think business is there to send money to the government and make sure everybody has retirement and health care for the rest of their life, because it is a right you know!
It was the regulation of the mortgage business that got us into the mess we are in. Not all regulation is good regulation.
Do you think just because they pass regulations a problem is solved?



Reps are for freedom of choice on where and how you get your education.
Dems will go to the grave thinking that the old system with more money thrown at it will just keep on working and that it is better run by Washington DC. Look at their schools in DC, Not a good example of what government can do.


How about definition of torture first. I don't think we are cutting off any heads or hands, now that is torture. I don't believe that water boarding is torture. Now I don't want it to be used on me so I don't vow to kill every american so I don't get that treatment.
Do you think it would be better if we just ask them nicely? I know in the left leaning world everything is roses and everybody just wants to get along but that is not the case. Reps are not FOR torture, they against the murder of our citizens!


Like what? I know I am compassionate and I am not sure what area you are talking about but I believe that we as americans give more to our poor here and in the whole world than all other conties combined.
Now if you are talking WSO, I don't think that is about compassion. It is more about seeing a bunch of young educated drop outs sitting around talking on their cell phones, wearing their corporate logo shirts, ipads, latte espressos and then gripping about greedy corporate america.
I wish I had three months to camp out and not work.
Oh, they have no jobs, ask Obama where they are, he said it will not sleep until he gets the job done "job number one". He must be very tired by now with loosing all that sleep all over the world.



I am starting to be with you on this one. I think that that has hurt the reps more than anything. Even the uber rich don't care if they pay more so tax them and get on with it. The thing is it is a drop in the bucket and will do nothing until Washington stops spending! Do you think it should be on the middle class too or just the people you wish you could be?


This makes me laugh! Have you ever heard of fast and furious? Boy the dems are on top of this one.
Guns are not the problem, criminals are. We have 100s of gun laws on the books. I bet one more will do the trick.



You have got to be kidding!!! Anybody that points at either side for this is not being honest with themselves. Pelosi and Reed are a model of compromise aren't they. If they don't like it, they don't bring it to a vote.
Nice compromise.
I guess your idea of compromise is reps need to give in because the dems are obviously right on everything.
Both sides are as partison as they have ever been in my life time thanks to Bush, Clinton, Bush and oh yeah now your saviour, Obama.



Boy I am glad they are. I wish they would have before health care went through with all of that non-partisonship and compromise you were talking about.
Which leads me to one I forgot, Womens rights.
Wow! women in the USA have more rights, all of them I believe, then anywhere else in the world. But I bet you are just talking about abortion.
Last time I looked it was legal and I don't think that is going to change anytime soon. I think you use it as a hollow complaint because it sounds good to the left.
That being said I think it has no place in politics at all. It should be a womens choice, not yours, not mine, not government, not Obama care, just theirs.
It is just the same old BLAH BLAH BLAH every election and nothing changes.

By the way back to womens right, compromise and dems, how about that concern the dems had for women in the health care bill where they compromised by taking it out of the bill. There is your dems concern for womens rights.

I know that you are so deep in your beliefs that none of this will matter to you but a simple list of things without a fact attatched is what I am use to seeing.

The reps are no saints, we are not electing a Pope. But to think that your dems have got it all right is a laugh. We are probably in trouble with your guy or the next.