Originally Posted by Guest

Please provide a reference to whatever/wherever you picked up that he "promises" to do away with Medicare.

Bait And Switch: No One Voted To Destroy Medicare | The Huffington Post


If the Huffington Post is too liberal for your taste, do your own search and choose from dozens of web-sites.

Originally Posted by Guest

Bait And Switch: No One Voted To Destroy Medicare | The Huffington Post


If the Huffington Post is too liberal for your taste, do your own search and choose from dozens of web-sites.

It is nothing more than an editorial with an obvious bias in the presentation.

Pretty difficult to conclude that one is going to do away with medicare in 6 months based on a quote like this:

Just a few days before his nomination, Price announced that the Republicans planned to “address” Medicare in the first seven or eight months of the Trump administration.

The article is nothing more than a lather worker upper.
Anybody with any amount of imtelligence knows that medicare problems need to be dealt with. The same gray matter also knows even if it was the intent to get rid of medicare, they know it would be years not months.
And if it was the real intent to do so just exactly what would be the point to announcing long before even being in office, such an impossible, improbabale, unpopular idea.

Makes no sense what so ever other that to get folks who do not do their home work riled up.
Anyway, that is my opinion.

Thanks for the reference.

While I would get no pleasure in seeing even hardcore righties and Trumpsters watch in horror as their Medicare goes away, there would be a certain amount of vindication in pointing out how ignorant they were...even after being told over and over what would happen.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

While I would get no pleasure in seeing even hardcore righties and Trumpsters watch in horror as their Medicare goes away, there would be a certain amount of vindication in pointing out how ignorant they were...even after being told over and over what would happen.

Even crazier is that they voted for it. And touted their decision.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Even crazier is that they voted for it. And touted their decision.

I know.

Staggers the imagination.

Originally Posted by Guest

Even crazier is that they voted for it. And touted their decision.

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And they call democrats the biggest losers.

Not sure how specific this applies to this thread, but downsizing seems plausible in light of budget projections for our national debt. Not sure who wins out here because Trump and Speaker Ryan are not on the same page as each other on a number of issues.

Ryan for sure wants to privatize Medicaire, and I recall when George Bush brought this forward he was basically laughed at by even his own party. THAT conversation on privatizing will be interesting.

National Review did a fairly good job in laying out the congressional reaction to a Trump Presidency, but not hearing much about the national debt any longer. This debt is considered by some to be the single biggest issue facing us.

This is from that NR article

"When President Donald Trump is sworn in next month, Republicans will hold the presidency and both houses of Congress for the first time since 2006. For everyone who has been complaining about gridlock for the past decade, there is now the possibility of action. But before everyone joins hands and sings “Kumbaya,” it’s worth noting that President Trump and Republicans in Congress don’t exactly see eye-to-eye on a host of issues. Of course, Republicans will have every incentive to deliver some quick victories. Even those who didn’t support or don’t like President Trump have a vested interest in his success. And, certainly, they will be chastened by the grassroots anger so evident in November. Still, there are serious fault lines that will not easily be bridged."



Donald Trump & Congress: Republicans Have Power to Slow Down Trump’s Legislation | National Review

The federal government is so large and so bureaucratic that it will be unable and unwilling to carry out any real reduction. Do you believe the 535 members of Congress multiple czars will cooperate? Add to that public unions will join in and resist any changes in employment reductions. People are just dreaming if they believe anything is going to change.

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Originally Posted by Guest

IMO, those that drive cars with pro 'Obama' and 'Hillary' bumper stickers on them should be the first to go.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You're an embarrassment.

Originally Posted by Guest

The federal government is so large and so bureaucratic that it will be unable and unwilling to carry out any real reduction. Do you believe the 535 members of Congress multiple czars will cooperate? Add to that public unions will join in and resist any changes in employment reductions. People are just dreaming if they believe anything is going to change.

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Hard to tell if what you say is accurate, but it surely seems very plausible,

Will be interesting on the infrastructure spending promised by Trump during the campaign and its affect on the national debt and our GDP growth.

Our economic growth last I read probably will be at about 1.8 for 2016. We keep saying we want up to 4 %. Other nations like Japan and China show much higher growth percentages. There are those who think 4% is not ever going to happen. They refer to China etal as new born economies and that our economy is "mature" thus we should not expect the same growth as those countries.

Infrastructure spending, done correctly, is great for the economy p...jobs, etc.

There is the matter, however of the national debt which, if all Trump promised is done, will absolutely go through the roof.

Discussion of the tax policies, where the revenues come from, how the defense spending is done (remember Trump wants big increases) etc will make for interesting listening and reading.

I hope that all posters take a break from the extreme, radical websites when looking for news on this discussion and try CSPAN and other media because even the basics can get confusing.

This is not aimed specifically at you, honestly, but in thinking about this! Those websites do not have the USA interests in their heart. Much too important for discussion from a non extreme point of view.

Originally Posted by Guest

Hard to tell if what you say is accurate, but it surely seems very plausible,

Will be interesting on the infrastructure spending promised by Trump during the campaign and its affect on the national debt and our GDP growth.

Our economic growth last I read probably will be at about 1.8 for 2016. We keep saying we want up to 4 %. Other nations like Japan and China show much higher growth percentages. There are those who think 4% is not ever going to happen. They refer to China etal as new born economies and that our economy is "mature" thus we should not expect the same growth as those countries.

Infrastructure spending, done correctly, is great for the economy p...jobs, etc.

There is the matter, however of the national debt which, if all Trump promised is done, will absolutely go through the roof.

Discussion of the tax policies, where the revenues come from, how the defense spending is done (remember Trump wants big increases) etc will make for interesting listening and reading.

I hope that all posters take a break from the extreme, radical websites when looking for news on this discussion and try CSPAN and other media because even the basics can get confusing.

This is not aimed specifically at you, honestly, but in thinking about this! Those websites do not have the USA interests in their heart. Much too important for discussion from a non extreme point of view.

Fortunately in reality these people and those web sites are a scant minority; unfortunately with a very loud amplifier!!

Originally Posted by Guest

While I would get no pleasure in seeing even hardcore righties and Trumpsters watch in horror as their Medicare goes away, there would be a certain amount of vindication in pointing out how ignorant they were...even after being told over and over what would happen.

The Trumpsters voted for change. They just didn't realize that the change was privatizing Medicare, Social Security and the VA. Trump lied about this in everyone of his stump speeches until he won the election. Now it's nothing but radio silence.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Trumpsters voted for change. They just didn't realize that the change was privatizing Medicare, Social Security and the VA. Trump lied about this in everyone of his stump speeches until he won the election. Now it's nothing buy radio silence.

Good, can't wait. First you said they were going to do away with SS and Medicare, and now you are saying they are going to privatize it. Make up your mind. Personally, I doubt anything will be done with it. Congress likes having a fund that they can borrow from.

Originally Posted by Guest

Good, can't wait. First you said they were going to do away with SS and Medicare, and now you are saying they are going to privatize it. Make up your mind. Personally, I doubt anything will be done with it. Congress likes having a fund that they can borrow from.

Bait And Switch: No One Voted To Destroy Medicare | The Huffington Post


It's a little of both. Speaker Ryan pledges to end Medicare and privatize social security and the VA.

Watch Trump's speech later in Hershey, PA and hear him explain to the poor ignorant people who voted for him how he plans to end the safety net that many of them rely on.

Originally Posted by Guest

Hard to tell if what you say is accurate, but it surely seems very plausible,

Will be interesting on the infrastructure spending promised by Trump during the campaign and its affect on the national debt and our GDP growth.

Our economic growth last I read probably will be at about 1.8 for 2016. We keep saying we want up to 4 %. Other nations like Japan and China show much higher growth percentages. There are those who think 4% is not ever going to happen. They refer to China etal as new born economies and that our economy is "mature" thus we should not expect the same growth as those countries Infrastructure spending, done correctly, is great for the economy p...jobs, etc.

There is the matter, however of the national debt which, if all Trump promised is done, will absolutely go through the roof.

Discussion of the tax policies, where the revenues come from, how the defense spending is done (remember Trump wants big increases) etc will make

I hope that all posters take a break from the extreme, radical websites when looking for news on this discussion and try CSPAN and other media because even the basics can get confusing.

This is not aimed specifically at you, honestly, but in thinking about this! Those websites do not have the USA interests in their heart. Much too important for discussion from a non extreme point of view.

The past is prologue to the future. government moves at a snail's pace. The divide between the parties has never been wider. Periodically you will see an enemy of my enemy is ............ but that is also short lived.

it has been apparent for a very long time that the Department of Energy crated by Carter for a short term energy emergency was overkill and the Department should have been abolished today there isn't anything they do that can't be transferred to another department.

The IRS antics tells us they have too much time on their hands and that Department should be drastically reduced. the Department of Education should be targeted for elimination. I could go on but those in congress who rely on favors from these departments in order to garner votes won't move against them. and the bureaucrats who have administrative control will fight to protect their fiefdoms .

As to readings there are such a partisan narratives being generated by both parties that I dismiss most of them out of hand
for interesting listening and reading.

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