Originally Posted by cashman

Are you calling Clinton, Kerry, the entire Us congress liars?

They like Bush All were convinced that the weapons were their for many resons including the fact that Sadam Had already used them to kill hundeds of thousands of his fellow citizens.

You are correct. There are many videos of high ranking democrats accusing Saddam of harboring weapons of mass destruction.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

And I do, so is that his intent, to make me feel attacked rather than reasoned with in an attempt to gain my support for what he feels is the right direction for the country. Make me mad and you have one more enemy, educate me to your truth and you have an supporter. I do thank you sista for your directness and apparent honesty. You state fact and not just say things to aggravate the debate into an argument. You could persuade lots of left wing folks on the fence to fall off the fence in your direction. Thank you and continue to talk about these issues with your attitude.

Re-read what I stated... Beck abhors their "AGENDA".... he attacks their "AGENDA" by educating viewers and exposing things we otherwise would never know... naturally they feel attacked... that's the way it goes.

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Richie, you are not listening. The hate is coming from you. It is exposed every time you reply to one of my posts. I am begging you to have a discussion with me to either agree with me or change my way of thinking, but you remain in the darkness and refuse to talk civil and constantly state that you think I am an idiot. You never address what I say, but only the character of my person.

You're impossible to debate with. You don't seem to understand a simple thought, or maybe refuse to, and use my own words in your reply to me. I'm glad others understand the point I'm making. I often speak with people who cannot listen, but this is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by pauld315

Beck and Limbaugh are personalities with television and radio shows. They cannot legislate or make policy. You would be better off concentrating on what the legislators of this country do and say everyday.

I agree that we should be concentrating on what the legislators in this country do and say everyday. Unfortunately without Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh we would not know what they're up to. They very seldom do or say anything of substance unless it is behind our back. There are so many things that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have exposed that we would be a great loss without them.

Just some thoughts

Yoda

As if we need any more proof that the mainstream media is biased.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...101668063.html

Originally Posted by Yoda

I agree that we should be concentrating on what the legislators in this country do and say everyday. Unfortunately without Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh we would not know what they're up to. They very seldom do or say anything of substance unless it is behind our back. There are so many things that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck have exposed that we would be a great loss without them.

Just some thoughts

Yoda

I won't disagree with Yoda's statement as it is true. Thats right, even Democrats feel we should be focused on what Washington is talking about and not Glenn and Rush. Its like watching a train wreck, ya just cant look away. If what they say is true it is of such great importance to the nation and must be stopped. They drive a wedge between the two parties that makes getting enough support to stop what they say they want stopped more difficult. You may not think they are not sarcastic, but hundreds of thousands of Americans do. And thousands of them vote with their feelings and not facts. That is done by both parties.

Let me rephrase the original question I asked for in this string: Do they wish to get support to change the country for the better OR do they wish the country to just throw insults back and forth? If you insult me with your opening line, my ears go closed. If you keep a civil informative tone, I promise I will listen and then you have a good chance of gaining my support. Please change the argument to a debate.

I know, I get it that if you like these guys, you support them no matter what they say or how they say it. Trust me, like Grandma always said, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Now I ask again, do they want to help the country or do they want to keep the parties mad at each other? The more the parties fight, the higher their rating go at the expense of the country.

Now, for the reason I have became obsessed with this issue:

1. I voted for Obama, but I am getting concerned with some things that are happening and some things that have not yet got done.
2. I turn on The Factor and find myself nodding to the positive. Then Beck and I start grinding my teeth.
3. I remember my conservative roots and feel I am still in agreement with most conservative values.

Can anyone simply say that Beck and Limbaugh drive more support with their actions than they attract?

The Villages Florida could be the turning point in American Politics: Not wanting to sound to much like John Lennon, just imagine a group of retired Republicans and Democrats getting together in a recreation center conference room and work to make this country a better place to live. Being all Americans, we do not have to be them and us.

Now thats all I got to say about that.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You're impossible to debate with. You don't seem to understand a simple thought, or maybe refuse to, and use my own words in your reply to me. I'm glad others understand the point I'm making. I often speak with people who cannot listen, but this is ludicrous.

Then why is it that you continue to insult me? If I am such an idiot, please just ignore me. I am trying my best to give my support to YOUR party, yet you continue to try to drive me away. I just went back and read this entire string and Richie, I want to understand you, but you block my receptiveness with insults in your replies. Be civil and I will listen closely. PLEASE RICHIE. If I have peed on your tulips in the past, I apologize, but lets move on now.

I say the following with the most heart felt sincerity:

I type long maybe boring posts in here as well as starting this one. I pour my heart out in an attempt to give my opinion in a way that might just help someone else understand an issue from a different point of view. Richie, you must agree with something I write if not just parts where I agree 100% with the Conservative view. Yes there may not be a lot, but they are there. Yet you can take a 5 paragraph post from me and come back with a one line insult. I'm human and would love to say I never make a mistake, but I make plenty. So lets talk and not insult. It only distracts from making any progress. With or without you, I am going to try my best to get both parties on this site to talk without insulting each other. Yes I also have posted insults on this site and I am sorry for it. It did nothing but harm. I will do my best not to do it anymore. If you actually feel that I don't understand what you mean, then your right. I am sorry, I don't get you. That said, lets try not to let that stand in the way of progress. I may be stupid, but just maybe you are wrong. Either way, lets drop the insults and in the words of Rodney King, Cant we all just get along.

say that Obama and this Congress are not listening to the people. The majority of the citizens do not want Obamacare or all this spending. Seems the Dems have an agenda and the voters be dammed. They will be reminded this November when they can join the ranks of the unemployed.

Villa, I think that's only part of the story.

If you ask the public if *this* plan (meaning the huge pile of paper Congress passed) is what they wanted, I agree - they say no.

However, when you start getting down to the nitty-gritty, the complexion seems to change. People DO seem to be in favor of aspects of it. In addition, the whole reason this came about was because of dissatifaction with the private insurers.

Hardcore Democrats are angry that the 'public option' went away. So they wouldn't count as supporters of this plan.

Hardcore Republicans who think that this is a government takeover aren't going to poll in favor of it. (Despite the fact that, to my eyes, it looks like a huge government giveaway to the private insurers)

I don't think anyone really has a handle on this (which is NOT a good thing). Polls on the subject are based on what people BELIEVE is in the bill - like the bit in another thread where people thought their employer-paid health insurance premiums were going to be taxed when the reality was far different.

So the polls are not based on facts but on beliefs and those beliefs are based on everything from fact to demagoguery.

What we DO know is that people are fed up with certain ASPECTS of the 'current system'. I don't have much faith that the new law will take care of those problems. We didn't get the debate on the subject that we should have gotten. What we DID get was a lot of screaming on both sides about so-called "death panels" and "don't let the government come between you and your doctor (that's where your insurance company bureaucrat belongs)", etc.

Originally Posted by djplong

Villa, I think that's only part of the story.

If you ask the public if *this* plan (meaning the huge pile of paper Congress passed) is what they wanted, I agree - they say no.

However, when you start getting down to the nitty-gritty, the complexion seems to change. People DO seem to be in favor of aspects of it. In addition, the whole reason this came about was because of dissatifaction with the private insurers.

Hardcore Democrats are angry that the 'public option' went away. So they wouldn't count as supporters of this plan.

Hardcore Republicans who think that this is a government takeover aren't going to poll in favor of it. (Despite the fact that, to my eyes, it looks like a huge government giveaway to the private insurers)

I don't think anyone really has a handle on this (which is NOT a good thing). Polls on the subject are based on what people BELIEVE is in the bill - like the bit in another thread where people thought their employer-paid health insurance premiums were going to be taxed when the reality was far different.

So the polls are not based on facts but on beliefs and those beliefs are based on everything from fact to demagoguery.

What we DO know is that people are fed up with certain ASPECTS of the 'current system'. I don't have much faith that the new law will take care of those problems. We didn't get the debate on the subject that we should have gotten. What we DID get was a lot of screaming on both sides about so-called "death panels" and "don't let the government come between you and your doctor (that's where your insurance company bureaucrat belongs)", etc.

DJPLONG...you are correct in some aspects but I will add this and I suppose only time will tell.....

This health care bill was passed despite the majority of this country not wanting anything close to what was passed. We, and on the surface, our "statesman" felt that health costs were out of control and something needed to be done. This bill, while it will ABSOLUTELY CRIPPLE our economy in the future does NOTHING to address costs. That was lost in the back room dealing and the payoffs to have just something passed.

When you pass major legislation with payoffs and in the smoke filled backrooms then you are not doing the peoples business !

of Obamacare are positive in intebded result.
We can even hypothesize the American people got it wrong or do not understand.....what does any of that have to do with the fact the American people have over whelmingly SAID NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama and the lawmakers ARE NOT doing the will of the people. They couch what is not blindly supported by the herd in the fellonious tenor of "...there are many things that need to be done that are not pleasant...".
The lame and stupid answer to a simple situation.....we the people said no. And we did not elect anybody to do what ever they think needs to be done....WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

This is no longer a string that once had a very different direction and it has now turned into a bulletin board for whining and crying. Maybe we need a Thread for just shouting complaints with no intention of working on a solution. I will start another Thread and try to keep it focused on the title subject. I have truly lost track of what this one is trying to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by Lou Card

This is no longer a string that once had a very different direction and it has now turned into a bulletin board for whining and crying. Maybe we need a Thread for just shouting complaints with no intention of working on a solution. I will start another Thread and try to keep it focused on the title subject. I have truly lost track of what this one is trying to accomplish.

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Here is this threads first post, by YOU...

"I gotta say finding GOD is a good thing for Glenn. Like so many X addicts, X Alcoholics, X Felons, X etc., he is on the right track, but I find it mighty arrogant of him to act like the rest of the United States has been walking blindly toward the burning pit. Not everyone, like Glenn, needed years of being in a drunken haze to convince them to turn to GOD.

Sorry Glenn, been there and still there so get back to being the satirist comedian you are good at and stay off the evangelistic trail. I am not buying it. "


What kind of replies did you envision ?

Seems when you critique someone as you did, you can expect those who like him to counter and that there be a discussion of the reasons for his polularity, dont you think ?

What did you envision when you began the thread with the comment above ?

my position..."

Doesn't leave much room for the supporters, as usual, maintaining if you don't support the Obama regime and direction you/we are out of order!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pray the message gets delivered in November 2010 and 2012. But I fear the rhetoric will be similar to that after the big loss in Mass....after the election was lost to the Republicans it was deemed by the spin doctors to be insignificant....as usual.

btk

Originally Posted by Bucco

Here is this threads first post, by YOU...

"I gotta say finding GOD is a good thing for Glenn. Like so many X addicts, X Alcoholics, X Felons, X etc., he is on the right track, but I find it mighty arrogant of him to act like the rest of the United States has been walking blindly toward the burning pit. Not everyone, like Glenn, needed years of being in a drunken haze to convince them to turn to GOD.

Sorry Glenn, been there and still there so get back to being the satirist comedian you are good at and stay off the evangelistic trail. I am not buying it. "


What kind of replies did you envision ?

Seems when you critique someone as you did, you can expect those who like him to counter and that there be a discussion of the reasons for his polularity, don't you think ?

What did you envision when you began the thread with the comment above ?

Well stated Bucco. You said it very clear and I do agree with your comments completely. On second thought, I should not have addressed the subject at all on this Site. In my defense, I just want to point out that I do not take spiritual advise from X people that just recently found the light. Sorry if I offended anyone.