Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
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Re: GLOBALWARMING -- NOT
Again, don't let facts confuse you. Just continue to bash any messenger, anyone at all. Yes, we will be very happy. We purchased in two locations. Thank you for your concern.
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Re: GLOBALWARMING -- NOT
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But before you make any assumptions about my political standing, I think Bill Clinton should be next to him given that his sanctions on Iraq targeted children's medication for children who had diarrhea because Bush Sr blew up the water treatment plants in Iraq War I. Under Clinton the tools and parts to fix the plants were sanctioned, and since the children's medicine was also sanctioned, approximately 3,000 children died each month from preventable illness there. I also think Reagan had problems (and McCain is part of this one) for violating international and national law when he went into Nicaragua and and funded and trained the Contra Terrorists who targeted churches for attacks and murder countless priests, nuns, farmers, police officers, and other innocent civilians. Matter in fact, the Nicaraguan government took their case to the International Court, who ordered the United States to stop their attacks on Nicaragua, in which we promptly responded with increased bombing. I guess my point here is that you are trying to categorize people into these simple categories (bush hater = insulting, unfamiliar with debate). I for example (as I am trying to point out above) am not married to a political party nor do I take the right or left side. I believe in ideals like truth, justice, human rights, the spirit of the law, and the survival of the human race. I critically analyze all positions (including my own) and will be the first one willing to change my position in the cases where I discover I am wrong. To me it is these ideals with the desire to hold correct views/positions/beliefs that are more important than anything else. And to be honest, I think that is what makes me a liberal. Now, I think we should get back to this thread.... And for the record, John Coleman is a meteorologist, not a climatologist. He simply lacks the expertise in this area. He went to school to learn weather patterns to make 14 day predictions. His 'findings' (if you can call them that as there isn't any real science behind them) has been largely discredited in the scientific community and he is not taken seriously outside the circle of right wing talk radio hosts. Simply put, he makes for good ratings but not good science. Not a personal attack, it is simply a factual one. That was kind of the point before, when looking at something like this issue, you need to go to the expert. Listening to a meteorologist on this is like letting a podiatrist preform open heart surgery. They may both be great doctors in their own fields, but if you haven't studied the inter workings of the heart, you are not going to operate on me. ;D |
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jeckyl, i am a conservative who does not buy into global warming but i truly admire your tenaciousness in ferreting out the truth of this matter. i will be interested to see what else you come up with. you can educate all of us. my only qualm with this issue is that while it is still hotly debated in the scientific community, we are proceeding as if it is gospel truth, issuing carbon credits and legislating corporate sanctions which cause a nightmare bureaucracy, seriously affecting our economy, before all the facts are in. as you said, climate changes over a very long period so how can we know what is really happening in such a short time? keep us informed...and golf pro thanks for the topic...
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But like I said, this study is a new one, so, for now, I will stay focused on just this one. |
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jeckyl,
While I applaud your attempt to get beyond the hype and PR machines of both sides, I think you have too narrowly constrained the debate to one of "climatology" and thereby exclude scientists who hold other educational backgrounds. First, it is not uncommon at all in the realm of research for someone who has a PhD in a particular field to branch off and gain considerable expertise in other areas. Hence, to exclude people solely based upon their interests of 20 or 30 years ago is far too restrictive of a filter. Secondly, and most importantly, the issue of climate change is MUCH more than just the study of climates. It is far too simplistic and potentially economically devastating to say, "well, things are getting warmer, so let's shackle our economy in an effort to stop CO2 emissions." This, unfortunately, seems to be the mantra of many. For us to make that radical step, it is grossly insufficient to just cite 30 years of temperature change as a rationale. To warrant the type of approach that Al Gore is suggesting ALL of the following need to be true:
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Re: GLOBALWARMING -- NOT
I just wonder how anyone can say that this period of 4.5 billion years of weather history is the way it is supposed to be. It is arrogant to me that anyone alive is smart enough to know how the weather is just right since the globe is in constant state of change. Remember the great lakes? they are there because of global warming. Chicago and New york city were under a mile of ice not long ago, good thing things warmed up. In the 70's the same people where telling us that global cooling was upon us.
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thanks, njblue, for a very insightful perspective...that is what i was trying to say in my former feeble attempt...and i agree with benj, too.
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