In this scenario, the only good that bringing up Bush does is to point out that Obama certainly is NOT "change we can believe in". Not when you keep doing what the predecessors were doing.

Originally Posted by JimJoe

Would you be willing to have the amount your FICA is reduced this year and next plus interest deducted from your Social security when you retire? That is what should happen.

Jj

That's ok for me as long as everyone is treated the same. I really don't care about the payroll tax thing with the amount of overtime I make every 2 weeks, because my companies payroll was slashed by 8% over the summer, I wouldn't even feel it. I am more concerned with the extention of unemployment benefits. But if we cut those off then the welfare rolls will swell.

For me I have to do some work cause since my company got taken over Saturday and Sunday are work days.....

PS we call all that OT we make now Disney Dollars.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

We have to pay for those 4 million dollar vacations somehow

Geez I wonder whose 4 million dollar vacation you are talking about and how it applies to the topic of the thread. You can't be bashing the President or First Lady because as you all have told us more than once us "Liberals" are the mean spirited ones.

Originally Posted by cologal

Geez I wonder whose 4 million dollar vacation you are talking about and how it applies to the topic of the thread. You can't be bashing the President or First Lady because as you all have told us more than once us "Liberals" are the mean spirited ones.

Facts are facts and it cost the taxpayers an extra 4 million dollars for the vacation. I don't think it's bashing but if you think so then fine. But I can say it cause I'm a free man unless you are the thread police.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Richie, even you have to admit that the $800 Billion and 4,500 lives lost in Iraq was a complete waste. This was done by Junior Bush and Puppet Meister Cheney.

Think about how much better the USA would have been during that time period without the expenditures of both the $800 Billion in war costs and the loss of 4,500 American lives.

I don't know that. Time and history has yet to be played out. Also, your comment has nothing to do with the subject posted by the OP.

Which proves to me that you have no way to counter the thread's observation and thus must attempt to deflect, as usual.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

Facts are facts and it cost the taxpayers an extra 4 million dollars for the vacation. I don't think it's bashing but if you think so then fine. But I can say it cause I'm a free man unless you are the thread police.

No you can say what you want to say...but let's be fair. The Obama's are paying for their personal expenses....you make it seem as if the public is paying for those. And every President gets to go on vacation and the security deal follows him and the family. He goes to Hawaii because its his boyhood home...I still like to vacation at the Jersey Shore even though I left New Jersey more than 40 years ago.

Originally Posted by cologal

No you can say what you want to say...but let's be fair. The Obama's are paying for their personal expenses....you make it seem as if the public is paying for those. And every President gets to go on vacation and the security deal follows him and the family. He goes to Hawaii because its his boyhood home...I still like to vacation at the Jersey Shore even though I left New Jersey more than 40 years ago.

Alright, I'll go off-topic for a minute myself to address this. The Obama family, in their regal disconnect, engineered separate arrivals to Hawaii so that the First Royal Lady would not miss a few extra days of Pacific sunshine at the cost of $100,000 at a minimum. I've read that it's actually that much every day that the President was separated from his family.

It's irresponsible especially in the times we're in and is evidence of their sense of entitlement at the expense of we peasants.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Alright, I'll go off-topic for a minute myself to address this. The Obama family, in their regal disconnect, engineered separate arrivals to Hawaii so that the First Royal Lady would not miss a few extra days of Pacific sunshine at the cost of $100,000 at a minimum. I've read that it's actually that much every day that the President was separated from his family.

It's irresponsible especially in the times we're in and is evidence of their sense of entitlement at the expense of we peasants.

If you can go off-topic, allow me. Republicans have nothing else to contribute except criticizing the president's family vacation, criticizing the President for Christmas shopping, criticizing Michelle Obama's posterior.

Please. Put on your man pants and grow up. You should be worrying about your own candidates since it was announced this morning that your leading contender couldn't even get enough signatures to qualify for the VA primary.

Originally Posted by cologal

No you can say what you want to say...but let's be fair. The Obama's are paying for their personal expenses....you make it seem as if the public is paying for those. And every President gets to go on vacation and the security deal follows him and the family. He goes to Hawaii because its his boyhood home...I still like to vacation at the Jersey Shore even though I left New Jersey more than 40 years ago.

I think it is fair to say that it is an extravagant expense on the taxpayers in these hard times. I hear Camp David is lovely this time of years.

Instead of JUST criticising the President for going to Hawaii with his family for a vacation, how about some words for the Representatives and Senators who are taking vacations with their families - much at your expense as well as expense of lobby groups.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Instead of JUST criticising the President for going to Hawaii with his family for a vacation, how about some words for the Representatives and Senators who are taking vacations with their families - much at your expense as well as expense of lobby groups.

OK then, shame on all the Congress if they are wasting our money.

Originally Posted by Posh 08

I think it is fair to say that it is an extravagant expense on the taxpayers in these hard times. I hear Camp David is lovely this time of years.

This is your fourth post about the president's family vacation. We get it. You should be out on the street corner collecting signatures to get your republican candidates on the ballot for the VA primary. Oh sorry, it's too late.

Originally Posted by janmcn

This is your fourth post about the president's family vacation. We get it. You should be out on the street corner collecting signatures to get your republican candidates on the ballot for the VA primary. Oh sorry, it's too late.

Actually, the Virginia Primary isn't that big a deal to we Virginians. But my President got on the ballot. Now that is news.

People will never learn. A populist agenda is a feelgood thing but it has another name "snake oil cure."

Does not matter who wins next November, WE THE PEOPLE will be the losers again and again and, well you know the saying.