Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

The initial post was spot-on correct. We've been snookered again. The Congress--both Democrats and Republicans--passed legislation that supposedly paid for the temporary cessation of the payroll taxes to pay for Social Security by levying additional fees on borrowers using Freddie or Fannie mortgage guarantees. And a fairly hefty fee at that.

Why Richie blames this on President Obama baffles me--other than Richie's obvious deep hatred for the man. Other than signing the bill created by the Congress, the President had little to do with its contents. He prescribed an objective that the payroll tax holiday be extended. The bill met his objective. Because the Congress didn't come up with real spending cuts to pay for it isn't Obama's fault.

The "solution" Congress came up with is not a "tax" according to the Republicans and presumably Grover Norquist. But it's money out of some, not all, American's pockets for sure.

But I guess that's better than simply forgiving the taxes needed to pay for Social Security and just borrowing it from China.

OMG....Stop making excuses for the teacher's pet, Obama!!! The buck stops at the president's desk, remember???

Without his signature on this P.O.S. bill, it would not be law now.

A true leader would stand up for what is right and tell Congress the end (he "prescribed") does not justify the means (the P.O.S. content of the bill they concocted).

This enabling is why the Congress's spending addiction is out of control. Somebody who's mature and adult-like needs to cut up the "credit card" these boobs are abusing.

please remember the bill does not provide $40 per month. It merely avoids one having to pay $40 per month in taxes. Hence no big deal as one has no more or less than before the wonderful, miraculous, two month, we'll getcha later legislation being heralded as the savings grace (in very teeny tiny print, for now!). Tis a joke!
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btk

The important thing to remember is that the Republicans lost this stare-down and Bohner caved in - like the sack of potatoes (hope I spelled that right for Dan Quayle).

Free thinking American voters have now seen the Republicans just want to say NO and this means the Republicans have sealed their fate to be losers in 2012 - AGAIN (even without Sarah Palin's help).

looks to me like Boehner and Obama lost that one...considering they both were asking for a one year extension.

So it's OK when Obama caves into Harry and his bunch and when Boehner does the same he is called a loser....

Very consistent in the inconsistency!!!!

btk

Yep, Bohner and the Republicans are the losers. Glad you understand the reality of it.

Merry Christmas.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Nope, I don't think an apology is justified. The original posting discussed how Congress and the administration snookered us again by saying one thing (no new taxes) and doing another (passing a temporary tax holiday paid for with permanent and substantial fees which will do nothing but further dampen an already moribund housing industry). It was you who brought blame for the POTUS and all liberals into the conversation, when clearly there is blame to be assigned to all parties in this situation.

It's not the first time you misrepresented what I or someone else has said, or taken quotes out of context in a way to alter the original intent, so I'm not surprised.

I also knew you wouldn't see your error. I pointed to other person's posts and you twist it. It's OK, I've had your number for quite some time. You can be a brilliant poster, but your intellectual honesty can be ofttimes suspect.

That the way it is, this Christmas Day, 2011.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Yep, Bohner and the Republicans are the losers. Glad you understand the reality of it.

Merry Christmas.

What you say is true only because people are ignorant, or otherwise duplicitous.

I would like to hear a statement why Obama is not a "loser" (by definition, caving in to the dems 2 months VS one year).

I asked the same question a couple of posts back in this thread with no response. I do not see the distinction so please enlighten me.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

I would like to hear a statement why Obama is not a "loser" (by definition, caving in to the dems 2 months VS one year).

I asked the same question a couple of posts back in this thread with no response. I do not see the distinction so please enlighten me.

btk

Because President Obama is fighting for the middle class. He wanted a small sur-tax on the 1%, but the republican house wouldn't allow it. That's why the president will win reelection in 2012. The 99% wins over 1% every time.

Originally Posted by billethkid

I would like to hear a statement why Obama is not a "loser" (by definition, caving in to the dems 2 months VS one year)....

Of course he's a loser, and the Congress as well. But maybe not so much as the American public. Or those who want and need a Freddie or Fannie guaranteed mortgage loan and find they have to pay some pretty stiff fees beginning right now.

The POTUS, both houses of Congress and both political parties are losers, in the strongest sense of the word. They will each claim victory in this case--the POTUS for getting an extension of the payroll tax holiday, even if for only two months; the GOP for getting it done without any new taxes (what are those new loan fees anyway?); and the Democrats for getting the holiday extended and not costing needy Americans an extra $1,000 a year in taxes. What BS!!

Our objective, it seems to me, is to really make them all losers in the 2012 elections. THAT would be a real victory!

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Of course he's a loser, and trhe Congress as well. But maybe not so much as the American public. Or those who want and need a Freddie or Fannie guaranteed mortgage loan and find they have to pay some pretty stiff fees beginning right now.

The POTUS, both houses of Congress and both political parties are losers, in the strongest sense of the word. They will each claim victory in this case--the POTUS for getting an extension of the payroll tax holiday, even if for only two months; the GOP for getting it done without any new taxes (what are those new loan fees anyway?); and the Democrats for getting the holiday extended and not costing needy Americans an extra $1,000 a year in taxes. What BS!!

Our objective, it seems to me, is to really make them all losers in the 2012 elections. THAT would be a real victory!

Perhaps then we can go after the media...the centerpoint of all the stuff. The politicians play to them, because in my opinion...the media decides who and what. We are a nation of lemmings and will follow what the CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc tell us the facts are and who is good and who is bad. They are good at it. Elected a President in 2008, and many, many, many senators and representatives.

Does not matter if you are good or bad...the media will decide and that to me is so frustrating.

janmcn, you did not answer the question why it was OK for Obama to give up his position of wanting a one year extension and caving to Harry Reid to allow 2 months instead....and that was apparently an OK cave.

Then when Boehner does the same thing he is labeled a loser.

So just what rationale allows Obama an OK and Boehner not....they both held the same stance....they both gave up their position for a one year extension...they both caved to the 2 month, arbitrary, take it or leave it Senate.

All I ask is for one of the Obama supporters to address MY STILL unanswered question.

btk